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From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: Andrzej Ostruszka <amo@semihalf.com>, dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/3] introduce IF proxy library
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 14:09:10 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200115140910.GA1670@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35C60CEC@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 01:28:46PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > -----Original Message----- From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On
> > Behalf Of Bruce Richardson Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 11:16 AM
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 06:38:37PM +0100, Andrzej Ostruszka wrote:
> > > On 1/14/20 4:16 PM, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > > Andrzej,
> > >
> > > Hello Morten
> > >
> > > > Basically you are adding a very small subset of the Linux IP stack>
> > to interface with DPDK applications via callbacks.
> > >
> > > Yes, at the moment this is limited - we'd prefer first to solicit
> > > some input from community.
> > >
> > > > The library also seems to support interfacing to the route table,
> > > > so it is not "interface proxy" but "IP stack proxy".
> > >
> > > True, to some extent - for example you can bring the interface up and
> > > down which has nothing to do with IP stack.  As for the name of the
> > > library - that is actually part where we are completely open.  The
> > proxy
> > > represents port (thus the name) but that is not all, so any better
> > name
> > > proposals are welcome.
> > >
> > > > You already mention ARP table as future work. How about namespaces,
> > > > ip tables, and other advanced features... I foresee the Devil in
> > the
> > > > details for any real use case.
> > >
> > > Right now I don't know what other things are needed.  This idea is
> > still
> > > early.  However imagine you'd like to use DPDK to speed up packet
> > > processing of IP stack - would you like to implement all the
> > protocols
> > > that are needed?  Or just let the system handle the control path and
> > > handle the data path and sniff the control params from the system.
> > >
> > Like Morten, I'd be a bit concerned at the possible scope of the work
> > if we start pulling in functionality from the IP stack like ARP etc. To
> > avoid this becoming a massive effort, how useful would it be if we just
> > limited the scope to physical NIC setup only, and did not do anything
> > above the l2 layer?
> 
> Think about it... Regardless of scope, this is clearly a control plane
> API, not a data plane API.
> 
> It provides a proxy API for the O/S control plane (NETLINK in the case of
> Linux), so the DPDK application can use the user interface that the O/S
> already provides (e.g. "ip link set dev tap1 mtu 1600" etc.) for its
> control plane, instead of implementing its own CLI (or GUI or whatever).
> 
> In order to provide significant value, it will have to grow massively, so
> I can use it as imagined: To make a Linux firewall where the DPDK
> application handles the data plane, and the normal Linux commands are
> used for setting up the firewall, incl. firewall rules, port forwarding,
> NAPT, etc.. The Devil is in the details here!
> 
> Although I like the concept and idea behind it, I don't think a control
> plane proxy API belongs in DPDK. But it could possibly be hosted by the
> DPDK project, if approved as such.
> 
Personally, I wouldn't worry to much about control plane vs userplane for
this, if it's of significant benefit to DPDK users then it should be
considered.

/Bruce

      parent reply	other threads:[~2020-01-15 14:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-01-14 14:25 [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/3] introduce IF proxy library Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-14 14:25 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 1/3] lib: introduce IF proxy library (API) Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-14 14:25 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 2/3] if_proxy: add preliminary Linux implementation Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-14 14:25 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 3/3] if_proxy: add example, test and documentation Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-14 15:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH 0/3] introduce IF proxy library Morten Brørup
2020-01-14 17:38   ` Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-15 10:15     ` Bruce Richardson
2020-01-15 11:27       ` Jerin Jacob
2020-01-15 12:28       ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-15 12:57         ` Jerin Jacob
2020-01-15 15:30           ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-15 16:04             ` Jerin Jacob
2020-01-15 18:15               ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-16  7:15                 ` Jerin Jacob
2020-01-16  9:11                   ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-16  9:09                 ` Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-16  9:30                   ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-16 10:42                     ` Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-16 10:58                       ` Morten Brørup
2020-01-16 12:06                         ` Andrzej Ostruszka
2020-01-15 14:09         ` Bruce Richardson [this message]

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