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From: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>
To: Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>,
	Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] [RFC] ethdev: support flow aging
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 06:26:43 +0000
Message-ID: <BYAPR18MB2424179FFC4ECEF918B08EA7C8E00@BYAPR18MB2424.namprd18.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR0502MB4019BCF59AA18FCBDF22AD4BD2EA0@AM0PR0502MB4019.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:27 AM
> To: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>; Adrien Mazarguil
> <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: [EXT] RE: [PATCH] [RFC] ethdev: support flow aging
> 
> Hi Jerin

Hi Matan,

> 
> From: Jerin Jacob
> > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 3:16 PM
> > To: Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>; Adrien Mazarguil
> > <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> > Subject: RE: [PATCH] [RFC] ethdev: support flow aging
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2019 4:22 PM
> > > To: Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran <jerinj@marvell.com>; Adrien Mazarguil
> > > <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> > > Subject: [EXT] RE: [PATCH] [RFC] ethdev: support flow aging
> > >
> > > Hi Jerin
> >
> > Hi Matan,
> >
> > >
> > > From: Jerin Jacob
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: dev <dev-bounces@dpdk.org> On Behalf Of Matan Azrad
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2019 3:48 PM
> > > > > To: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> > > > > Subject: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] [RFC] ethdev: support flow aging
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the reasons to destroy a flow is the fact that no packet
> > > > > matches the flow for "timeout" time.
> > > > > For example, when TCP\UDP sessions are suddenly closed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, there is no any dpdk mechanism for flow aging and the
> > > > > applications use there own ways to detect and destroy aged-out
> flows.
> > > > >
> > > > > This RFC introduces flow aging APIs to offload the flow aging
> > > > > task from the application to the port.
> > > > >
> > > > > Design:
> > > > > - A new rte_flow action: RTE_FLOW_ACTION_TYPE_AGE to set the
> > > timeout
> > > > > and
> > > > >   the application flow context for each flow.
> > > > > - A new ethdev event: RTE_ETH_EVENT_FLOW_AGED for the driver
> to
> > > > report
> > > > >   that there are new aged-out flows.
> > > > > - A new rte_flow API: rte_flow_get_aged_flows to get the
> > > > > aged-out
> > > flows
> > > > >   contexts from the port.
> > > > >
> > > > > By this design each PMD can use its best way to do the aging
> > > > > with the device offloads supported by its HW.
> > > > >
> > > > > Signed-off-by: Matan Azrad <matan@mellanox.com>
> > > > > ---
> > > > >  lib/librte_ethdev/rte_ethdev.h |  1 +
> > > > >  lib/librte_ethdev/rte_flow.h   | 56
> > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > >  2 files changed, 57 insertions(+)
> > > > >
> > > > > diff --git a/lib/librte_ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > b/lib/librte_ethdev/rte_ethdev.h index 1f35e1d..6fc1531 100644
> > > > > --- a/lib/librte_ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > +++ b/lib/librte_ethdev/rte_ethdev.h
> > > > > @@ -2771,6 +2771,7 @@ enum rte_eth_event_type {
> > > > >  	RTE_ETH_EVENT_NEW,      /**< port is probed */
> > > > >  	RTE_ETH_EVENT_DESTROY,  /**< port is released */
> > > > >  	RTE_ETH_EVENT_IPSEC,    /**< IPsec offload related event */
> > > > > +	RTE_ETH_EVENT_FLOW_AGED,/**< New aged-out flows
> detected in
> > > > > the port
> > > > Does this event supported in HW?
> > > It depends in the PMD implementation and HW capability.
> > >
> > > > Or Are planning to implement with alarm or timer.
> > > Again, depends in the PMD implementation.
> > >
> > > > Just asking because, if none of the HW supports the interrupt then
> > > > only rte_flow_get_aged_flows sync API be enough()
> > > Why?
> >
> > If none of the HW supports it then application/common code can
> > periodically polls it.
> > If mlx5 hw supports it then it fine to have interrupt.
> 
> Actually MLX5 doesn't support aging fully by HW but the HW can help to do it
> better.
> Look, the PMD is the best one to know what is the best way to do aging by its
> HW even if aging is not fully supported by it.
> And it may add a meaningful efficiency to the application.
> 
> > But I think, we need to have means to express a HW/Implementation does
> > not support its As there may following reasons why drivers choose to
> > not take timer/alarm path
> > 1) Some EAL port does not support timer/alarm example: FreeBSD DPDK
> > port
> 	OK, but why not to support it for other cases (no FreeBSD port)?
> 
> > 2) If we need to support a few killo rules then timer/alarm
> > implementation will be heavy
> 
> Not sure, Depend in the HW ability.

Yes when HW does not support at all.

> 
> > So an option to express un supported event would be fine.
> 
> Can you explain more what is your intension here (2)?

To address the case where HW and/or OS(Like FreeBSD) does not support at all . In such case,
Expressing the unsupported would help application to handle in synchronous manner.

> 
> > > According to the above design this is the way for the PMD to notify
> > > the application when it has some aged flows ASAP.
> > > So, if the PMD uses an alarm\timer or any other way to support aging
> > > action it is better in part of the cases to notify the user
> > > asynchronically instead of doing polling by the application.
> > > The idea is to let the application to decide what is better for its usage.
> > >
> > > For mlx5 case,
> > > The plan is to raise this event from an HW interrupt handling(same
> > > as link event).
> >
> > Good to know.
> 
> The MLX5 plan is still to use timer/alarm and interrupt mechanism to support
> aging:
>  The HW help here is the ability to query batch of flows counters
> asynchronically, so getting the response of the new counters values by an
> interrupt.
> 
> The timer\alarm will call to devX operation to read batch of counters
> asynchronically - fast command.
> The interrupt handler to catch the response and to check timeout for each
> flow (no need to copy the counters from the HW memory - the values are in
> the PMD memory) - if there is a new aged flow - raise the event.
> 
> 


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Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-26 10:18 Matan Azrad
2019-06-06 10:24 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-06-06 10:51   ` Matan Azrad
2019-06-06 12:15     ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-06-18  5:56       ` Matan Azrad
2019-06-24  6:26         ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran [this message]
2019-06-27  8:26           ` Matan Azrad

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