From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E78C3F2D0 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:59:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E1D82467B for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:59:43 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 6E1D82467B Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=rasterman.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D17F6EE20; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:59:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from kirsty.vergenet.net (kirsty.vergenet.net [202.4.237.240]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE07D6EDA0; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by kirsty.vergenet.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id A566125B7C9; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 11:33:13 +1100 (AEDT) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 00:33:09 +0000 From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) To: Daniel Vetter Subject: Re: gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services Message-Id: <20200228003309.04491fcd60febda4870b5cbd@rasterman.com> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: You expect me to be organized? X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:59:27 +0000 X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Cc: amd-gfx list , intel-gfx , "X.Org development" , dri-devel , wayland , "X.Org Foundation Board" , Xorg Members List , gstreamer-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Mesa Dev Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" On Thu, 27 Feb 2020 22:27:04 +0100 Daniel Vetter said: Might I suggest that given the kind of expenses detailed here, literally buying 1 - 4 reasonably specced boxes and hosting them at OSUOSL would be incredibly cheaper? (we (enlightenment.org) have been doing so for years on a single box). We farm out CI to travis via gihub mirrors as it's not considered an essential core service (unlike mailing lists, git, phabricator whch nwe still run - we can live without CI for a while and find other ways). The cost is the odd HDD replacement every few years and maybe every 10y or so a new box. That's a massively lower cost than you are quoting below. OSUOSL provide bandwidth, power, rack space etc. for free. They have been fantastic IMHO and the whole "no fat bills" is awesome and you get a full system to set up any way you like. You just bring the box. That should drop cost through the floor. It will require some setup and admin though. > Hi all, > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes > already, here's the long version. > > The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very popular with our > communities, and is used extensively. This especially includes all the > CI integration. Modern development process and tooling, yay! > > The bad news: The cost in growth has also been tremendous, and it's > breaking our bank account. With reasonable estimates for continued > growth we're expecting hosting expenses totalling 75k USD this year, > and 90k USD next year. With the current sponsors we've set up we can't > sustain that. We estimate that hosting expenses for gitlab.fd.o > without any of the CI features enabled would total 30k USD, which is > within X.org's ability to support through various sponsorships, mostly > through XDC. > > Note that X.org does no longer sponsor any CI runners themselves, > we've stopped that. The huge additional expenses are all just in > storing and serving build artifacts and images to outside CI runners > sponsored by various companies. A related topic is that with the > growth in fd.o it's becoming infeasible to maintain it all on > volunteer admin time. X.org is therefore also looking for admin > sponsorship, at least medium term. > > Assuming that we want cash flow reserves for one year of gitlab.fd.o > (without CI support) and a trimmed XDC and assuming no sponsor payment > meanwhile, we'd have to cut CI services somewhere between May and June > this year. The board is of course working on acquiring sponsors, but > filling a shortfall of this magnitude is neither easy nor quick work, > and we therefore decided to give an early warning as soon as possible. > Any help in finding sponsors for fd.o is very much appreciated. > > Thanks, Daniel > -- > Daniel Vetter > Software Engineer, Intel Corporation > +41 (0) 79 365 57 48 - http://blog.ffwll.ch > _______________________________________________ > xorg-devel@lists.x.org: X.Org development > Archives: http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel > Info: https://lists.x.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg-devel > -- ------------- Codito, ergo sum - "I code, therefore I am" -------------- Carsten Haitzler - raster@rasterman.com _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel