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* [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
@ 2020-09-30 22:18 Alex Goins
  2020-09-30 22:18 ` [PATCH RFC 1/1] drm-ttm: " Alex Goins
  2020-10-01  7:19 ` [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: " Christian König
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alex Goins @ 2020-09-30 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König; +Cc: John Hubbard, dri-devel, linux-mm, amd-gfx, Zi Yan

Hi Christian,

I've been looking into the DMA-BUFs exported from AMDGPU / TTM. Would
you mind giving some input on this?

I noticed that your changes implementing transparent huge page support
in TTM are allocating them as non-compound. I understand that using
multiorder non-compound pages is common in device drivers, but I think
this can cause a problem when these pages are exported to other drivers.

It's possible for other drivers to access the DMA-BUF's pages via
gem_prime_import_sg_table(), but without context from TTM, it's
impossible for the importing driver to make sense of them; they simply
appear as individual pages, with only the first page having a non-zero
refcount. Making TTM's THP allocations compound puts them more in line
with the standard definition of a THP, and allows DMA-BUF-importing
drivers to make sense of the pages within.

I would like to propose making these allocations compound, but based on
patch history, it looks like the decision to make them non-compound was
intentional, as there were difficulties figuring out how to map them
into CPU page tables. I did some cursory testing with compound THPs, and
nothing seems obviously broken. I was also able to map compound THP
DMA-BUFs into userspace without issue, and access their contents. Are
you aware of any other potential consequences?

Commit 5c42c64f7d54 ("drm/ttm: fix the fix for huge compound pages") should
probably also be reverted if this is applied.

Thanks,
Alex

Alex Goins (1):
  drm-ttm: Allocate compound transparent huge pages

 drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

-- 
2.25.1

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* [PATCH RFC 1/1] drm-ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
  2020-09-30 22:18 [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP Alex Goins
@ 2020-09-30 22:18 ` Alex Goins
  2020-10-01  7:19 ` [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: " Christian König
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alex Goins @ 2020-09-30 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König; +Cc: John Hubbard, dri-devel, linux-mm, amd-gfx, Zi Yan

TTM currently supports allocating pages with GFP_TRANSHUGE_LIGHT, but with
the __GFP_COMP flag cleared. Instead of being normal transparent huge
pages, these are multiorder non-compound pages that have the same order as
THPs. This interferes with drivers that import DMA-BUFs / SGTs backed by
pages from TTM, as they don't have the TTM-specific context to know how the
pages were allocated.

Change the TTM allocator so that it no longer clears the __GFP_COMP flag
when allocating THPs.

Signed-off-by: Alex Goins <agoins@nvidia.com>
---
 drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)

diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
index 5c8883d7f74a..e72789184398 100644
--- a/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
+++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c
@@ -920,7 +920,6 @@ static int ttm_get_pages(struct page **pages, unsigned npages, int flags,
 				huge_flags |= GFP_TRANSHUGE_LIGHT | __GFP_NORETRY |
 					__GFP_KSWAPD_RECLAIM;
 				huge_flags &= ~__GFP_MOVABLE;
-				huge_flags &= ~__GFP_COMP;
 				p = alloc_pages(huge_flags, HPAGE_PMD_ORDER);
 				if (!p)
 					break;
@@ -1057,13 +1056,13 @@ int ttm_page_alloc_init(struct ttm_mem_global *glob, unsigned max_pages)
 	ttm_page_pool_init_locked(&_manager->wc_pool_huge,
 				  (GFP_TRANSHUGE_LIGHT | __GFP_NORETRY |
 				   __GFP_KSWAPD_RECLAIM) &
-				  ~(__GFP_MOVABLE | __GFP_COMP),
+				  ~(__GFP_MOVABLE),
 				  "wc huge", order);
 
 	ttm_page_pool_init_locked(&_manager->uc_pool_huge,
 				  (GFP_TRANSHUGE_LIGHT | __GFP_NORETRY |
 				   __GFP_KSWAPD_RECLAIM) &
-				  ~(__GFP_MOVABLE | __GFP_COMP)
+				  ~(__GFP_MOVABLE)
 				  , "uc huge", order);
 
 	_manager->options.max_size = max_pages;
-- 
2.25.1

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* Re: [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
  2020-09-30 22:18 [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP Alex Goins
  2020-09-30 22:18 ` [PATCH RFC 1/1] drm-ttm: " Alex Goins
@ 2020-10-01  7:19 ` Christian König
  2020-10-01 18:45   ` Alex Goins
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Christian König @ 2020-10-01  7:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alex Goins; +Cc: linux-mm, Zi Yan, dri-devel, amd-gfx, John Hubbard

Hi Alex,

first of all accessing the underlying page of an exported DMA-buf is 
illegal! So I'm not 100% sure what you're intentions are here, please 
explain further.

Then the reason for TTM not using compound pages is that we can't 
guarantee that they are mapped as a whole to userspace.

The result is that the kernel sometimes tried to de-compound them which 
created a bunch of problems.

So yes this is completely intentional.

Regards,
Christian.

Am 01.10.20 um 00:18 schrieb Alex Goins:
> Hi Christian,
>
> I've been looking into the DMA-BUFs exported from AMDGPU / TTM. Would
> you mind giving some input on this?
>
> I noticed that your changes implementing transparent huge page support
> in TTM are allocating them as non-compound. I understand that using
> multiorder non-compound pages is common in device drivers, but I think
> this can cause a problem when these pages are exported to other drivers.
>
> It's possible for other drivers to access the DMA-BUF's pages via
> gem_prime_import_sg_table(), but without context from TTM, it's
> impossible for the importing driver to make sense of them; they simply
> appear as individual pages, with only the first page having a non-zero
> refcount. Making TTM's THP allocations compound puts them more in line
> with the standard definition of a THP, and allows DMA-BUF-importing
> drivers to make sense of the pages within.
>
> I would like to propose making these allocations compound, but based on
> patch history, it looks like the decision to make them non-compound was
> intentional, as there were difficulties figuring out how to map them
> into CPU page tables. I did some cursory testing with compound THPs, and
> nothing seems obviously broken. I was also able to map compound THP
> DMA-BUFs into userspace without issue, and access their contents. Are
> you aware of any other potential consequences?
>
> Commit 5c42c64f7d54 ("drm/ttm: fix the fix for huge compound pages") should
> probably also be reverted if this is applied.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
> Alex Goins (1):
>    drm-ttm: Allocate compound transparent huge pages
>
>   drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
>   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>

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* Re: [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
  2020-10-01  7:19 ` [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: " Christian König
@ 2020-10-01 18:45   ` Alex Goins
  2020-10-02  6:41     ` Christian König
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Alex Goins @ 2020-10-01 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König; +Cc: linux-mm, Zi Yan, dri-devel, amd-gfx, John Hubbard


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Hi Christian,

On Thu, 1 Oct 2020, Christian König wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> first of all accessing the underlying page of an exported DMA-buf is
> illegal! So I'm not 100% sure what you're intentions are here, please
> explain further.

We have some mapping requirements that I was hoping I could address by mapping
these pages manually.

Are you sure that it's illegal to access the underlying pages of an exported
DMA-BUF? There appears to be quite a few usages of this already. See the usage
of drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays() in vgem, vkms, msm, xen, and etnaviv.
drm_gem_prime_import_dev() uses driver->gem_prime_import_sg_table() when
importing a DMA-BUF from another driver, and the listed drivers then extract the
pages from the given SGT using drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays(). These pages
can then be mapped and faulted in.

See commit af33a9190d02 ('drm/vgem: Enable dmabuf import interfaces'). After
importing the pages from the SGT, vgem can fault them in, taking a refcount with
get_page() first. get_page() throws a BUG if the refcount is zero, which it will
hit on each of the 'tail' pages from TTM THP allocations. 

All of this currently works fine with TTM DMA-BUFs when the kernel is built with
!CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE. However, 'echo never >
/sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled' doesn't change how TTM allocates
pages.

> Then the reason for TTM not using compound pages is that we can't
> guarantee that they are mapped as a whole to userspace.
> 
> The result is that the kernel sometimes tried to de-compound them which
> created a bunch of problems.
> 
> So yes this is completely intentional.

Understood, I figured something like that was the case, so I wanted to get your
input first. Do you know what the problems were, exactly? Practical issues
aside, it seems strange to call something a transparent huge page if it's
non-compound.

Besides making these pages compound, would it be reasonable to split them before
sharing them, in e.g. amdgpu_dma_buf_map (and in other drivers that use TTM)?
That's where it's supposed to make sure that the shared DMA-BUF is accessible by
the target device.

Thanks,
Alex

> Regards,
> Christian.
> 
> Am 01.10.20 um 00:18 schrieb Alex Goins:
> > Hi Christian,
> > 
> > I've been looking into the DMA-BUFs exported from AMDGPU / TTM. Would
> > you mind giving some input on this?
> > 
> > I noticed that your changes implementing transparent huge page support
> > in TTM are allocating them as non-compound. I understand that using
> > multiorder non-compound pages is common in device drivers, but I think
> > this can cause a problem when these pages are exported to other drivers.
> > 
> > It's possible for other drivers to access the DMA-BUF's pages via
> > gem_prime_import_sg_table(), but without context from TTM, it's
> > impossible for the importing driver to make sense of them; they simply
> > appear as individual pages, with only the first page having a non-zero
> > refcount. Making TTM's THP allocations compound puts them more in line
> > with the standard definition of a THP, and allows DMA-BUF-importing
> > drivers to make sense of the pages within.
> > 
> > I would like to propose making these allocations compound, but based on
> > patch history, it looks like the decision to make them non-compound was
> > intentional, as there were difficulties figuring out how to map them
> > into CPU page tables. I did some cursory testing with compound THPs, and
> > nothing seems obviously broken. I was also able to map compound THP
> > DMA-BUFs into userspace without issue, and access their contents. Are
> > you aware of any other potential consequences?
> > 
> > Commit 5c42c64f7d54 ("drm/ttm: fix the fix for huge compound pages") should
> > probably also be reverted if this is applied.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> > 
> > Alex Goins (1):
> >    drm-ttm: Allocate compound transparent huge pages
> > 
> >   drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
> >   1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> > 
> 
> 

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* Re: [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
  2020-10-01 18:45   ` Alex Goins
@ 2020-10-02  6:41     ` Christian König
  2020-10-02  7:31       ` Daniel Vetter
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Christian König @ 2020-10-02  6:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alex Goins, Daniel Vetter
  Cc: linux-mm, Zi Yan, dri-devel, amd-gfx, John Hubbard

Hi Alex,

adding Daniel as well.

Am 01.10.20 um 20:45 schrieb Alex Goins:
> Hi Christian,
>
> On Thu, 1 Oct 2020, Christian König wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> first of all accessing the underlying page of an exported DMA-buf is
>> illegal! So I'm not 100% sure what you're intentions are here, please
>> explain further.
> We have some mapping requirements that I was hoping I could address by mapping
> these pages manually.
>
> Are you sure that it's illegal to access the underlying pages of an exported
> DMA-BUF?

yes, I'm 100% sure of that. This was discussed multiple times now on the 
mailing list.

> There appears to be quite a few usages of this already. See the usage
> of drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays() in vgem, vkms, msm, xen, and etnaviv.
> drm_gem_prime_import_dev() uses driver->gem_prime_import_sg_table() when
> importing a DMA-BUF from another driver, and the listed drivers then extract the
> pages from the given SGT using drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays(). These pages
> can then be mapped and faulted in.

No, exactly that doesn't work correctly.

You are corrupting internal state in struct page while doing so and risk 
that userspace is accessing freed up memory.

We really need to find a way to fix the few drivers already doing this.

> See commit af33a9190d02 ('drm/vgem: Enable dmabuf import interfaces'). After
> importing the pages from the SGT, vgem can fault them in, taking a refcount with
> get_page() first. get_page() throws a BUG if the refcount is zero, which it will
> hit on each of the 'tail' pages from TTM THP allocations.
>
> All of this currently works fine with TTM DMA-BUFs when the kernel is built with
> !CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE. However, 'echo never >
> /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled' doesn't change how TTM allocates
> pages.

You need to redirect the mapping to dma_buf_mmap() instead.

Regards,
Christian.

>
>> Then the reason for TTM not using compound pages is that we can't
>> guarantee that they are mapped as a whole to userspace.
>>
>> The result is that the kernel sometimes tried to de-compound them which
>> created a bunch of problems.
>>
>> So yes this is completely intentional.
> Understood, I figured something like that was the case, so I wanted to get your
> input first. Do you know what the problems were, exactly? Practical issues
> aside, it seems strange to call something a transparent huge page if it's
> non-compound.
>
> Besides making these pages compound, would it be reasonable to split them before
> sharing them, in e.g. amdgpu_dma_buf_map (and in other drivers that use TTM)?
> That's where it's supposed to make sure that the shared DMA-BUF is accessible by
> the target device.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
>
>> Regards,
>> Christian.
>>
>> Am 01.10.20 um 00:18 schrieb Alex Goins:
>>> Hi Christian,
>>>
>>> I've been looking into the DMA-BUFs exported from AMDGPU / TTM. Would
>>> you mind giving some input on this?
>>>
>>> I noticed that your changes implementing transparent huge page support
>>> in TTM are allocating them as non-compound. I understand that using
>>> multiorder non-compound pages is common in device drivers, but I think
>>> this can cause a problem when these pages are exported to other drivers.
>>>
>>> It's possible for other drivers to access the DMA-BUF's pages via
>>> gem_prime_import_sg_table(), but without context from TTM, it's
>>> impossible for the importing driver to make sense of them; they simply
>>> appear as individual pages, with only the first page having a non-zero
>>> refcount. Making TTM's THP allocations compound puts them more in line
>>> with the standard definition of a THP, and allows DMA-BUF-importing
>>> drivers to make sense of the pages within.
>>>
>>> I would like to propose making these allocations compound, but based on
>>> patch history, it looks like the decision to make them non-compound was
>>> intentional, as there were difficulties figuring out how to map them
>>> into CPU page tables. I did some cursory testing with compound THPs, and
>>> nothing seems obviously broken. I was also able to map compound THP
>>> DMA-BUFs into userspace without issue, and access their contents. Are
>>> you aware of any other potential consequences?
>>>
>>> Commit 5c42c64f7d54 ("drm/ttm: fix the fix for huge compound pages") should
>>> probably also be reverted if this is applied.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Alex
>>>
>>> Alex Goins (1):
>>>     drm-ttm: Allocate compound transparent huge pages
>>>
>>>    drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
>>>    1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>>

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* Re: [PATCH RFC 0/1] drm/ttm: Allocate transparent huge pages without clearing __GFP_COMP
  2020-10-02  6:41     ` Christian König
@ 2020-10-02  7:31       ` Daniel Vetter
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Daniel Vetter @ 2020-10-02  7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Christian König
  Cc: John Hubbard, dri-devel, Linux MM, amd-gfx list, Zi Yan

On Fri, Oct 2, 2020 at 8:41 AM Christian König <christian.koenig@amd.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> adding Daniel as well.
>
> Am 01.10.20 um 20:45 schrieb Alex Goins:
> > Hi Christian,
> >
> > On Thu, 1 Oct 2020, Christian König wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Alex,
> >>
> >> first of all accessing the underlying page of an exported DMA-buf is
> >> illegal! So I'm not 100% sure what you're intentions are here, please
> >> explain further.
> > We have some mapping requirements that I was hoping I could address by mapping
> > these pages manually.
> >
> > Are you sure that it's illegal to access the underlying pages of an exported
> > DMA-BUF?
>
> yes, I'm 100% sure of that. This was discussed multiple times now on the
> mailing list.
>
> > There appears to be quite a few usages of this already. See the usage
> > of drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays() in vgem, vkms, msm, xen, and etnaviv.
> > drm_gem_prime_import_dev() uses driver->gem_prime_import_sg_table() when
> > importing a DMA-BUF from another driver, and the listed drivers then extract the
> > pages from the given SGT using drm_prime_sg_to_page_addr_arrays(). These pages
> > can then be mapped and faulted in.
>
> No, exactly that doesn't work correctly.
>
> You are corrupting internal state in struct page while doing so and risk
> that userspace is accessing freed up memory.
>
> We really need to find a way to fix the few drivers already doing this.

Yeah the drivers doing this were merged with everyone aware that it's
a bad trick, but 10 years ago we had nothing, not even userspace for
multi-gpu, so there needed to be something to get the thing off the
ground. But it was a bad idea back then, and it's still a bad idea now
(and now we do have the ecosystem off the ground, so there's really
not excuse for shortcuts).
-Daniel

> > See commit af33a9190d02 ('drm/vgem: Enable dmabuf import interfaces'). After
> > importing the pages from the SGT, vgem can fault them in, taking a refcount with
> > get_page() first. get_page() throws a BUG if the refcount is zero, which it will
> > hit on each of the 'tail' pages from TTM THP allocations.
> >
> > All of this currently works fine with TTM DMA-BUFs when the kernel is built with
> > !CONFIG_TRANSPARENT_HUGEPAGE. However, 'echo never >
> > /sys/kernel/mm/transparent_hugepage/enabled' doesn't change how TTM allocates
> > pages.
>
> You need to redirect the mapping to dma_buf_mmap() instead.
>
> Regards,
> Christian.
>
> >
> >> Then the reason for TTM not using compound pages is that we can't
> >> guarantee that they are mapped as a whole to userspace.
> >>
> >> The result is that the kernel sometimes tried to de-compound them which
> >> created a bunch of problems.
> >>
> >> So yes this is completely intentional.
> > Understood, I figured something like that was the case, so I wanted to get your
> > input first. Do you know what the problems were, exactly? Practical issues
> > aside, it seems strange to call something a transparent huge page if it's
> > non-compound.
> >
> > Besides making these pages compound, would it be reasonable to split them before
> > sharing them, in e.g. amdgpu_dma_buf_map (and in other drivers that use TTM)?
> > That's where it's supposed to make sure that the shared DMA-BUF is accessible by
> > the target device.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alex
> >
> >> Regards,
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >> Am 01.10.20 um 00:18 schrieb Alex Goins:
> >>> Hi Christian,
> >>>
> >>> I've been looking into the DMA-BUFs exported from AMDGPU / TTM. Would
> >>> you mind giving some input on this?
> >>>
> >>> I noticed that your changes implementing transparent huge page support
> >>> in TTM are allocating them as non-compound. I understand that using
> >>> multiorder non-compound pages is common in device drivers, but I think
> >>> this can cause a problem when these pages are exported to other drivers.
> >>>
> >>> It's possible for other drivers to access the DMA-BUF's pages via
> >>> gem_prime_import_sg_table(), but without context from TTM, it's
> >>> impossible for the importing driver to make sense of them; they simply
> >>> appear as individual pages, with only the first page having a non-zero
> >>> refcount. Making TTM's THP allocations compound puts them more in line
> >>> with the standard definition of a THP, and allows DMA-BUF-importing
> >>> drivers to make sense of the pages within.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to propose making these allocations compound, but based on
> >>> patch history, it looks like the decision to make them non-compound was
> >>> intentional, as there were difficulties figuring out how to map them
> >>> into CPU page tables. I did some cursory testing with compound THPs, and
> >>> nothing seems obviously broken. I was also able to map compound THP
> >>> DMA-BUFs into userspace without issue, and access their contents. Are
> >>> you aware of any other potential consequences?
> >>>
> >>> Commit 5c42c64f7d54 ("drm/ttm: fix the fix for huge compound pages") should
> >>> probably also be reverted if this is applied.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> Alex Goins (1):
> >>>     drm-ttm: Allocate compound transparent huge pages
> >>>
> >>>    drivers/gpu/drm/ttm/ttm_page_alloc.c | 5 ++---
> >>>    1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> >>>
>


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