From: Melissa Wen <mwen@igalia.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
Cc: "xaver.hugl@gmail.com" <xaver.hugl@gmail.com>,
"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
wayland-devel <wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
"Victoria Brekenfeld" <victoria@system76.com>,
"Jonas Ådahl" <jadahl@redhat.com>,
"Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
"Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>,
"Michel Dänzer" <mdaenzer@redhat.com>,
"Aleix Pol" <aleixpol@kde.org>,
"Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Plane color pipeline KMS uAPI
Date: Tue, 9 May 2023 16:01:02 -0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230509170102.d2iec32gxn5lur72@mail.igalia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230509144717.7c85443d@eldfell>
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On 05/09, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> On Tue, 9 May 2023 10:23:49 -0100
> Melissa Wen <mwen@igalia.com> wrote:
>
> > On 05/05, Joshua Ashton wrote:
> > > Some corrections and replies inline.
> > >
> > > On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 12:42, Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 04 May 2023 15:22:59 +0000
> > > > Simon Ser <contact@emersion.fr> wrote:
> > > >
>
> ...
>
> > > > > Color operation 47 (3D LUT RAM)
> > > > > └─ "lut_data" = Gamut mapping + tone mapping + night mode
> > > > > Color operation 48 (blend gamma)
> > > > > └─ "1d_curve_type" = PQ
> > >
> > > ^
> > > This is wrong, this should be Display Native -> Linearized Display Referred
> >
> > This is a good point to discuss. I understand for the HDR10 case that we
> > are just setting an enumerated TF (that is PQ for this case - correct me
> > if I got it wrong) but, unlike when we use a user-LUT, we don't know
> > from the API that this enumerated TF value with an empty LUT is used for
> > linearizing/degamma. Perhaps this could come as a pair? Any idea?
>
> PQ curve is an EOTF, so it's always from electrical to optical.
>
> Are you asking for something like
>
> "1d_curve_type" = "PQ EOTF"
>
> vs.
>
> "1d_curve_type" = "inverse PQ EOTF"?
>
> I think that's how it should work. It's not a given that if a
> hardware block can do a curve, it can also do its inverse. They need to
> be advertised explicitly.
Sounds good and clear to me.
Thanks!
Melissa
>
>
> Thanks,
> pq
>
> ps. I picked my nick in the 90s. Any resemblance to Perceptual
> Quantizer is unintended. ;-)
:D
>
>
> > > >
> > > > You cannot do a TF with a matrix, and a gamut remap with a matrix on
> > > > electrical values is certainly surprising, so the example here is a
> > > > bit odd, but I don't think that hurts the intention of demonstration.
> > >
> > > I have done some corrections inline.
> > >
> > > You can see our fully correct color pipeline here:
> > > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/ValveSoftware/gamescope/master/src/docs/Steam%20Deck%20Display%20Pipeline.png
> > >
> > > Please let me know if you have any more questions about our color pipeline.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-09 17:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-05-04 15:22 [RFC] Plane color pipeline KMS uAPI Simon Ser
2023-05-04 21:10 ` Harry Wentland
2023-05-05 11:41 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-05 13:30 ` Joshua Ashton
2023-05-05 14:16 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-05 17:01 ` Joshua Ashton
2023-05-09 11:23 ` Melissa Wen
2023-05-09 11:47 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-09 17:01 ` Melissa Wen [this message]
2023-05-11 21:21 ` Simon Ser
2023-05-05 15:28 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-05-05 15:57 ` Sebastian Wick
2023-05-05 19:51 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-05-08 8:24 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-08 9:00 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-05-05 16:06 ` Simon Ser
2023-05-05 19:53 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-05-08 8:58 ` Simon Ser
2023-05-08 9:18 ` Daniel Vetter
2023-05-08 18:10 ` Harry Wentland
[not found] ` <20230508185409.07501f40@n2pa>
2023-05-09 8:17 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-05 20:40 ` Dave Airlie
2023-05-05 22:20 ` Sebastian Wick
2023-05-07 23:14 ` Dave Airlie
2023-05-08 9:37 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-08 10:03 ` Jonas Ådahl
2023-05-09 14:31 ` Harry Wentland
2023-05-09 19:53 ` Dave Airlie
2023-05-09 20:22 ` Simon Ser
2023-05-10 7:59 ` Jonas Ådahl
2023-05-10 8:59 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-11 9:51 ` Karol Herbst
2023-05-11 16:56 ` Joshua Ashton
2023-05-11 18:56 ` Jonas Ådahl
2023-05-11 19:29 ` Simon Ser
2023-05-12 7:24 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-10 8:48 ` Pekka Paalanen
[not found] ` <20230505160435.6e3ffa4a@n2pa>
2023-05-08 8:49 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-05-09 8:04 ` Pekka Paalanen
[not found] ` <4341dac6-ada1-2a75-1c22-086d96408a85@quicinc.com>
2023-06-09 15:52 ` Christopher Braga
2023-06-09 16:30 ` Simon Ser
2023-06-09 23:11 ` Christopher Braga
2023-06-12 9:21 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-06-12 16:56 ` Christopher Braga
2023-06-13 8:23 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-06-13 16:29 ` Christopher Braga
2023-06-14 9:00 ` Pekka Paalanen
2023-06-15 21:44 ` Christopher Braga
2023-06-16 7:59 ` Pekka Paalanen
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