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From: Andrey Grodzovsky <Andrey.Grodzovsky@amd.com>
To: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>, Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>,
	Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 10:37:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b8add86-a65c-df60-4273-18be804a7174@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200519100649.12053-1-ppaalanen@gmail.com>

Thanks for the summary, does put things in order and makes it easier to 
comprehend all the TODOs, some questions bellow

On 5/19/20 6:06 AM, Pekka Paalanen wrote:
> From: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
>
> Set up the expectations on how hot-unplugging a DRM device should look like to
> userspace.
>
> Written by Daniel Vetter's request and largely based on his comments in IRC and
> from https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.freedesktop.org%2Farchives%2Fdri-devel%2F2020-May%2F265484.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7Candrey.grodzovsky%40amd.com%7Ce8e13dc4c85648e5fcd408d7fbdc5f2b%7C3dd8961fe4884e608e11a82d994e183d%7C0%7C0%7C637254796242596783&amp;sdata=bA%2FAy3VGvzNqmV1kGigNROSZQEws2E98JibDxvEICNs%3D&amp;reserved=0 .
>
> Signed-off-by: Pekka Paalanen <pekka.paalanen@collabora.com>
> Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
> Cc: Andrey Grodzovsky <andrey.grodzovsky@amd.com>
> Cc: Dave Airlie <airlied@redhat.com>
> Cc: Sean Paul <sean@poorly.run>
>
> ---
>
> Disclaimer: I am a userspace developer writing for other userspace developers.
> I took some liberties in defining what should happen without knowing what is
> actually possible or what existing drivers already implement.
> ---
>   Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst | 75 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>   1 file changed, 75 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> index 56fec6ed1ad8..80db4abd2cbd 100644
> --- a/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/gpu/drm-uapi.rst
> @@ -1,3 +1,5 @@
> +.. Copyright 2020 DisplayLink (UK) Ltd.
> +
>   ===================
>   Userland interfaces
>   ===================
> @@ -162,6 +164,79 @@ other hand, a driver requires shared state between clients which is
>   visible to user-space and accessible beyond open-file boundaries, they
>   cannot support render nodes.
>   
> +Device Hot-Unplug
> +=================
> +
> +.. note::
> +   The following is the plan. Implementation is not there yet
> +   (2020 May 13).
> +
> +Graphics devices (display and/or render) may be connected via USB (e.g.
> +display adapters or docking stations) or Thunderbolt (e.g. eGPU). An end
> +user is able to hot-unplug this kind of devices while they are being
> +used, and expects that the very least the machine does not crash. Any
> +damage from hot-unplugging a DRM device needs to be limited as much as
> +possible and userspace must be given the chance to handle it if it wants
> +to. Ideally, unplugging a DRM device still lets a desktop to continue
> +running, but that is going to need explicit support throughout the whole
> +graphics stack: from kernel and userspace drivers, through display
> +servers, via window system protocols, and in applications and libraries.
> +
> +Other scenarios that should lead to the same are: unrecoverable GPU
> +crash, PCI device disappearing off the bus, or forced unbind of a driver
> +from the physical device.
> +
> +In other words, from userspace perspective everything needs to keep on
> +working more or less, until userspace stops using the disappeared DRM
> +device and closes it completely. Userspace will learn of the device
> +disappearance from the device removed uevent or in some cases specific
> +ioctls returning EIO.
> +
> +This goal raises at least the following requirements for the kernel and
> +drivers:
> +
> +- The kernel must not hang, crash or oops, no matter what userspace was
> +  in the middle of doing when the device disappeared.
> +
> +- All GPU jobs that can no longer run must have their fences
> +  force-signalled to avoid inflicting hangs to userspace.
> +
> +- KMS connectors must change their status to disconnected.
> +
> +- Legacy modesets and pageflips fake success.
> +
> +- Atomic commits, both real and TEST_ONLY, fake success.


Why wouldn't we return -EIO for the atommic commit IOTCL/legasy pflip 
and modeset ioctls here same way as you suggested returning -EIO for 
render ioctl ?

> +
> +- Pending non-blocking KMS operations deliver the DRM events userspace
> +  is expecting.
> +
> +- If underlying memory disappears, the mmaps are replaced with harmless
> +  zero pages where access does not raise SIGBUS. Reads return zeros,
> +  writes are ignored.
> +
> +- dmabuf which point to memory that has disappeared are rewritten to
> +  point to harmless zero pages, similar to mmaps. Imports still succeed
> +  both ways: an existing device importing a dmabuf pointing to
> +  disappeared memory, and a disappeared device importing any dmabuf.


Same as above, I would expect drmPrimeHandleToFD and drmPrimeFDToHandle 
to return -EIO in case device is detached


> +
> +- Render ioctls return EIO which is then handled in userspace drivers,
> +  e.g. Mesa, to have the device disappearance handled in the way
> +  specified for each API (OpenGL, GL ES: GL_KHR_robustness;
> +  Vulkan: VK_ERROR_DEVICE_LOST; etc.)


As far as I understood from our discussion we would reject any IOCTL 
aimed at a device which is gone and not only render ioctls.

Andrey


> +
> +Raising SIGBUS is not an option, because userspace cannot realistically
> +handle it.  Signal handlers are global, which makes them extremely
> +difficult to use correctly from libraries like Mesa produces. Signal
> +handlers are not composable, you can't have different handlers for GPU1
> +and GPU2 from different vendors, and a third handler for mmapped regular
> +files.  Threads cause additional pain with signal handling as well.
> +
> +Only after userspace has closed all relevant DRM device and dmabuf file
> +descriptors and removed all mmaps, the DRM driver can tear down its
> +instance for the device that no longer exists. If the same physical
> +device somehow comes back in the mean time, it shall be a new DRM
> +device.
> +
>   .. _drm_driver_ioctl:
>   
>   IOCTL Support on Device Nodes
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-19 10:06 [PATCH] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-19 14:37 ` Andrey Grodzovsky [this message]
2020-05-20 11:19   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-20 12:46     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-20 14:50       ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 12:13         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 14:28         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 14:55           ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 15:09             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-28 12:27               ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-28 14:45                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-01 12:04                   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-20 12:55 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-20 13:20   ` Simon Ser
2020-05-20 14:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-22  9:54       ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 14:29         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 12:46 ` [PATCH v2] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 13:51   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-25 14:30     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-25 15:02       ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-25 14:41     ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-26 14:30 ` [PATCH] " Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27  6:44   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-27 13:51     ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27 14:39       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-27 15:23         ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-05-27 19:44           ` Christian König
2020-05-27 20:25             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-05-28 12:13               ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-05-28 21:28               ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-06-01 14:32 ` [PATCH v3] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-02 14:00   ` Andrey Grodzovsky
2020-06-03  8:19     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-08 16:05   ` Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-10 15:40   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-06-22 14:05 ` [PATCH v4] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-06-22 16:56   ` Alex Deucher
2020-06-27 10:02   ` Noralf Trønnes
2020-07-07 11:38 ` [PATCH v5] " Pekka Paalanen
2020-07-07 11:49   ` Karol Herbst
2020-07-07 12:13     ` Daniel Vetter
2020-07-07 12:59   ` Simon Ser
2020-07-30 13:35   ` drm/doc: missing SPDX license identifier (Was: Re: [PATCH v5] drm/doc: device hot-unplug for userspace) Emil Velikov

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