From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, URIBL_BLOCKED,USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009DFC3F2CD for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (gabe.freedesktop.org [131.252.210.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAE7F24677 for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:54 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (1024-bit key) header.d=redhat.com header.i=@redhat.com header.b="WTph0lHU" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org CAE7F24677 Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=redhat.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Received: from gabe.freedesktop.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F48B6EDAB; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: from us-smtp-delivery-1.mimecast.com (us-smtp-2.mimecast.com [207.211.31.81]) by gabe.freedesktop.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9AD7A6EDAB for ; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1582851650; h=from:from:reply-to:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=LQhInN/+fDfVG2QYCiT8kgUkr5XH+I4Rhxk+RUHmJOs=; b=WTph0lHU/p2PkCB6eJMhewVWTmi3zeXmQLgOhJKwXYYfqQpnEc2CSgCWesgJr2ivPOb6c4 8s8X6bI69WDgqV02Gbwwpd9nM2QMWkc/j5+QLBubYA4rKGzIUxvYHZwI7z8ghiWYznuyfD k68UWU4oFpM+MwodCcMDdQRVo4el2lc= Received: from mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (mimecast-mx01.redhat.com [209.132.183.4]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-491-0_fjoB25NmqFt-StItVqwQ-1; Thu, 27 Feb 2020 20:00:42 -0500 X-MC-Unique: 0_fjoB25NmqFt-StItVqwQ-1 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mimecast-mx01.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF5BBDB78; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from tstellar.remote.csb (ovpn-117-123.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.117.123]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0135C54A; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 01:00:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [Mesa-dev] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services To: Daniel Vetter , gstreamer-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, Xorg Members List , Mesa Dev , "X.Org development" , wayland , dri-devel , amd-gfx list , intel-gfx References: From: Tom Stellard Organization: Red Hat Message-ID: <662b8d0c-d96b-13cd-d3a1-718550f84e4d@redhat.com> Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:00:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com X-BeenThere: dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Direct Rendering Infrastructure - Development List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: tstellar@redhat.com Cc: "X.Org Foundation Board" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: dri-devel-bounces@lists.freedesktop.org Sender: "dri-devel" On 02/27/2020 01:27 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote: > Hi all, > > You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes > already, here's the long version. > > The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very popular with our > communities, and is used extensively. This especially includes all the > CI integration. Modern development process and tooling, yay! > > The bad news: The cost in growth has also been tremendous, and it's > breaking our bank account. With reasonable estimates for continued > growth we're expecting hosting expenses totalling 75k USD this year, > and 90k USD next year. With the current sponsors we've set up we can't > sustain that. We estimate that hosting expenses for gitlab.fd.o > without any of the CI features enabled would total 30k USD, which is > within X.org's ability to support through various sponsorships, mostly > through XDC. > Have you looked into applying for free credits from amazon: https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/aws-promotional-credits-open-source-projects/ -Tom > Note that X.org does no longer sponsor any CI runners themselves, > we've stopped that. The huge additional expenses are all just in > storing and serving build artifacts and images to outside CI runners > sponsored by various companies. A related topic is that with the > growth in fd.o it's becoming infeasible to maintain it all on > volunteer admin time. X.org is therefore also looking for admin > sponsorship, at least medium term. > > Assuming that we want cash flow reserves for one year of gitlab.fd.o > (without CI support) and a trimmed XDC and assuming no sponsor payment > meanwhile, we'd have to cut CI services somewhere between May and June > this year. The board is of course working on acquiring sponsors, but > filling a shortfall of this magnitude is neither easy nor quick work, > and we therefore decided to give an early warning as soon as possible. > Any help in finding sponsors for fd.o is very much appreciated. > > Thanks, Daniel > _______________________________________________ dri-devel mailing list dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org https://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/dri-devel