Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] dma-fence: Avoid establishing a locking order between fence classes

["Thomas Hellström" <thomas.hellstrom@linux.intel.com>]

On Tue, 2021-11-30 at 16:02 +0100, Christian König wrote:
> Am 30.11.21 um 15:35 schrieb Thomas Hellström:
> > On Tue, 2021-11-30 at 14:26 +0100, Christian König wrote:
> > > Am 30.11.21 um 13:56 schrieb Thomas Hellström:
> > > > On 11/30/21 13:42, Christian König wrote:
> > > > > Am 30.11.21 um 13:31 schrieb Thomas Hellström:
> > > > > > [SNIP]
> > > > > > > Other than that, I didn't investigate the nesting fails
> > > > > > > enough to
> > > > > > > say I can accurately review this. :)
> > > > > > Basically the problem is that within enable_signaling()
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > called with the dma_fence lock held, we take the dma_fence
> > > > > > lock
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > another fence. If that other fence is a dma_fence_array, or
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > dma_fence_chain which in turn tries to lock a
> > > > > > dma_fence_array
> > > > > > we hit
> > > > > > a splat.
> > > > > Yeah, I already thought that you constructed something like
> > > > > that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > You get the splat because what you do here is illegal, you
> > > > > can't
> > > > > mix
> > > > > dma_fence_array and dma_fence_chain like this or you can end
> > > > > up
> > > > > in a
> > > > > stack corruption.
> > > > Hmm. Ok, so what is the stack corruption, is it that the
> > > > enable_signaling() will end up with endless recursion? If so,
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > it be more usable we break that recursion chain and allow a
> > > > more
> > > > general use?
> > > The problem is that this is not easily possible for
> > > dma_fence_array
> > > containers. Just imagine that you drop the last reference to the
> > > containing fences during dma_fence_array destruction if any of
> > > the
> > > contained fences is another container you can easily run into
> > > recursion
> > > and with that stack corruption.
> > Indeed, that would require some deeper surgery.
> > 
> > > That's one of the major reasons I came up with the
> > > dma_fence_chain
> > > container. This one you can chain any number of elements together
> > > without running into any recursion.
> > > 
> > > > Also what are the mixing rules between these? Never use a
> > > > dma-fence-chain as one of the array fences and never use a
> > > > dma-fence-array as a dma-fence-chain fence?
> > > You can't add any other container to a dma_fence_array, neither
> > > other
> > > dma_fence_array instances nor dma_fence_chain instances.
> > > 
> > > IIRC at least technically a dma_fence_chain can contain a
> > > dma_fence_array if you absolutely need that, but Daniel, Jason
> > > and I
> > > already had the same discussion a while back and came to the
> > > conclusion
> > > to avoid that as well if possible.
> > Yes, this is actually the use-case. But what I can't easily
> > guarantee
> > is that that dma_fence_chain isn't fed into a dma_fence_array
> > somewhere
> > else. How do you typically avoid that?
> > 
> > Meanwhile I guess I need to take a different approach in the driver
> > to
> > avoid this altogether.
> 
> Jason and I came up with a deep dive iterator for his use case, but I
> think we don't want to use that any more after my dma_resv rework.
> 
> In other words when you need to create a new dma_fence_array you
> flatten 
> out the existing construct which is at worst case 
> dma_fence_chain->dma_fence_array->dma_fence.

Ok, Are there any cross-driver contract here, Like every driver using a
dma_fence_array need to check for dma_fence_chain and flatten like
above?

/Thomas


> 
> Regards,
> Christian.
> 
> > 
> > /Thomas
> > 
> > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Christian.
> > > 
> > > > /Thomas
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Christian.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > But I'll update the commit message with a typical splat.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > /Thomas
> > 
>