From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: remove FOLL_FORCE usage
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2022 09:33:16 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wh0nuSn=zYB1z9bHXJRPi33mmbpv-Z6z7ARkHQupbQ3fQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6175d780-3307-854c-448a-8e6c7ad0772c@xs4all.nl>
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 4:25 AM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> I tracked the use of 'force' all the way back to the first git commit
> (2.6.12-rc1) in the very old video-buf.c. So it is very, very old and the
> reason is lost in the mists of time.
Well, not entirely.
For archaeology reasons, I went back to the old BK history, which
exists as a git conversion in
https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/tglx/history.git/
and there you can actually find it.
Not with a lot of explanations, though - it's commit b7649ef789
("[PATCH] videobuf update"):
This updates the video-buf.c module (helper module for video buffer
management). Some memory management fixes, also some adaptions to the
final v4l2 api.
but it went from
err = get_user_pages(current,current->mm,
- data, dma->nr_pages,
- rw == READ, 0, /* don't force */
+ data & PAGE_MASK, dma->nr_pages,
+ rw == READ, 1, /* force */
dma->pages, NULL);
in that commit.
So it goes back to October 2002.
> Looking at this old LWN article https://lwn.net/Articles/28548/ suggests
> that it might be related to calling get_user_pages for write buffers
The timing roughly matches.
> I assume that removing FOLL_FORCE from 'FOLL_FORCE|FOLL_WRITE' will still
> allow drivers to read from the buffer?
The issue with some of the driver hacks has been that
- they only want to read, and the buffer may be read-only
- they then used FOLL_WRITE despite that, because they want to break
COW (due to the issue that David is now fixing with his series)
- but that means that the VM layer says "nope, you can't write to
this read-only user mapping"
- ... and then they use FOLL_FORCE to say "yes, I can".
iOW, the FOLL_FORCE may be entirely due to an (incorrect, but
historically needed) FOLL_WRITE.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-11-22 17:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-11-07 16:17 [PATCH RFC 00/19] mm/gup: remove FOLL_FORCE usage from drivers (reliable R/O long-term pinning) David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 01/19] selftests/vm: anon_cow: prepare for non-anonymous COW tests David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 02/19] selftests/vm: cow: basic COW tests for non-anonymous pages David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 03/19] selftests/vm: cow: R/O long-term pinning reliability tests for non-anon pages David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 04/19] mm: add early FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE consistency checks David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 05/19] mm: add early FAULT_FLAG_WRITE " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 19:03 ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-07 19:27 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 19:50 ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 06/19] mm: rework handling in do_wp_page() based on private vs. shared mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 07/19] mm: don't call vm_ops->huge_fault() in wp_huge_pmd()/wp_huge_pud() for private mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 08/19] mm: extend FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE support to anything in a COW mapping David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 09/19] mm/gup: reliable R/O long-term pinning in COW mappings David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 10/19] RDMA/umem: remove FOLL_FORCE usage David Hildenbrand
2022-11-14 8:30 ` Leon Romanovsky
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 11/19] RDMA/usnic: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 12/19] RDMA/siw: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 13/19] media: videobuf-dma-sg: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 14/19] drm/etnaviv: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 15/19] media: pci/ivtv: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 16/19] mm/frame-vector: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-08 4:45 ` Tomasz Figa
2022-11-08 9:40 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-22 12:25 ` Hans Verkuil
2022-11-22 12:38 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-22 14:07 ` Hans Verkuil
2022-11-22 15:03 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-22 17:33 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 17/19] drm/exynos: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 18/19] RDMA/hw/qib/qib_user_pages: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 16:17 ` [PATCH RFC 19/19] habanalabs: " David Hildenbrand
2022-11-07 21:25 ` Oded Gabbay
2022-11-07 17:27 ` [PATCH RFC 00/19] mm/gup: remove FOLL_FORCE usage from drivers (reliable R/O long-term pinning) Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 9:29 ` David Hildenbrand
[not found] ` <Y3HaGbPcGfTxlLPZ@infradead.org>
2022-11-14 8:07 ` David Hildenbrand
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