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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Max Staudt <mstaudt@suse.de>
Cc: "Linux Fbdev development list" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	michal@markovi.net,
	"Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz" <b.zolnierkie@samsung.com>,
	sndirsch@suse.com, "Oliver Neukum" <oneukum@suse.com>,
	"Takashi Iwai" <tiwai@suse.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Neil Armstrong" <narmstrong@baylibre.com>,
	philm@manjaro.org,
	"Bero Rosenkränzer" <bernhard.rosenkranzer@linaro.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] Kernel based bootsplash
Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 16:22:25 +0100
Message-ID: <CAKMK7uHvvqwrLWpbfz4saPNTRB4q1hOv671bxkG9RzUHso9fyA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uHr9PSS81-u-ev0Q31vowhGQLb3rqgYykV1gOVb3mh1xQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Max Staudt <mstaudt@suse.de> wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2017 11:14 AM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>>>> btw since I'm probably sounding a bit too grumpy here: I'd very much
>>>> support this. I think bootsplash in kernel has a bunch of uses, and it
>>>> shouldn't be hard to get non-suse people to cheer for it (makes merging
>>>> easier if it's not just a one-off hack).
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> As it seems, other people and distros are already interested - for example Manjaro.
>>>
>>> It's also a chance to (maybe in the near future) integrate with a splash painted by EFI and/or GRUB, before userspace has even started.
>>
>> Maybe I've sounded too optimistic now.
>>
>> So fundamentally I don't think an in-kernel bootsplash is a bad idea.
>> But most likely you want this on a highly embedded system, which
>> probably is compiled for your exact hw, with pretty much everything
>> built in. Also, no fbcon, maybe even no vt subsystem at all.
>> Definitely not your general purpose distro.
>>
>> Your proposal to work on top of fbcon doesn't fix that niche.
>>
>> Now for your problem, which seems to be to have a working bootsplash
>> for a general purpose distro, specifically for the bug where plymouth
>> prevents the real drm driver from loading: Adding an in-kernel
>> bootsplash doesn't make any sense, at least not to me. Instead I think
>> the right action is to fix the problem, both in the kernel and in
>> userspace.
>>
>> All the problems below have fairly simple solutions, but there's imo
>> no point in talking technical solutions for specific problems when
>> we're trying to fix the wrong problem.
>
> Aside: The problem you think you need the vt/console subsystem for is
> simple to fix with plain kms: kms works without fbdev, fbcon and the
> entire vt subsystem. Dislay ownership is controlled through the drm
> master concept. That's the exact same trick that we're using already
> to figure out whether fbdev (not just fbcon) is allowed to touch the
> display hw.
>
> So yeah, there's a solution, and a modern system definitely would not
> want to get encumbered with the entire vt subsystem to be able to use
> a bootsplash. David Herrman had the entire pile prototyped btw,
> including userspace console on top of drm, emergency log on top of
> drm, and replacement for simpledrm. Adding an in-kernel boot splash
> would be fairly simple for this setup. It's just that no one else
> cared enough to get it merged.

*replacement for efifb/vesafb in the form of simpledrm. The
in-userspace fbcon is called kmscon, so also exists already. The
emergency boot splash thing was called drmlog iirc.
-Daniel
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Daniel Vetter
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Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-13 19:47 Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/13] bootsplash: Initial implementation showing black screen Max Staudt
2017-12-13 23:55   ` Randy Dunlap
2017-12-14 15:37     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/13] bootsplash: Add file reading and picture rendering Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/13] bootsplash: Flush framebuffer after drawing Max Staudt
2017-12-13 21:35   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-14 15:36     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 12:23       ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 13:34         ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 13:57           ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 14:07             ` Oliver Neukum
2017-12-31 12:53               ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 18:04                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 15:41             ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 16:02               ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:23                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20  9:45                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:09               ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 16:26                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 21:01               ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 13:14                 ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:35                   ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 16:52                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/13] bootsplash: Add corner positioning Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/13] bootsplash: Add animation support Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/13] vt: Redraw bootsplash fully on console_unblank Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/13] vt: Add keyboard hook to disable bootsplash Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/13] sysrq: Disable bootsplash on SAK Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/13] fbcon: Disable bootsplash on oops Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/13] Documentation: Add bootsplash main documentation Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/13] bootsplash: sysfs entries to load and unload files Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 12/13] tools/bootsplash: Add a basic splash file creation tool Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:47 ` [RFC PATCH v2 13/13] tools/bootsplash: Add script and data to create sample file Max Staudt
2017-12-13 19:52 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/13] Kernel based bootsplash Max Staudt
2017-12-19 16:16 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 17:04   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 17:26     ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-19 18:40       ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20  9:43         ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 10:06           ` Neil Armstrong
2017-12-20 10:14             ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 14:55               ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:11                 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 15:19                   ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-20 15:22                     ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2017-12-20 16:23                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 16:15                   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-31 12:44                   ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 18:00                     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 14:16             ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 14:10           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-31 12:35         ` Alan Cox
2018-01-03 17:56           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-19 20:30     ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 13:03       ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 15:21         ` Ray Strode
2017-12-20 16:44           ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21 14:51             ` Ray Strode
2017-12-21 16:32               ` Max Staudt
2017-12-20 11:08   ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-12-20 11:22     ` Daniel Stone
2017-12-20 12:48       ` Johannes Thumshirn
2017-12-29 17:13   ` Jani Nikula
2018-01-03 17:38     ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21  9:48 ` Daniel Vetter
2017-12-21 16:52   ` Max Staudt
2017-12-21 15:00 ` Philip Müller

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