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From: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:38:54 +0300
Message-ID: <CAMj1kXHbKVY_3s_DX_iv0gDbM+mcnP2Eh9ZkeXMPA9sZQVvapw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjsMycgMHJrCmeetR3r+K5bpSRtmVWfd8iaoQCYd_VYAg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 16 Sep 2020 at 21:32, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> But something like a driver list walking thing should not be doing
> different things behind peoples back depending on whether they hold
> spinlocks or not. It should either just work regardless, or there
> should be a flag (or special interface) for the "you're being called
> in a crtitical region".
>
> Because dynamically changing behavior really is very confusing.
>

By the same reasoning, I don't think a generic crypto library should
be playing tricks with preemption en/disabling under the hood when
iterating over some data that is all directly accessible via the
linear map on the platforms that most people care about. And using
kmap_atomic() unconditionally achieves exactly that.

As I argued before, the fact that kmap_atomic() can be called from an
atomic context, and the fact that its implementation on HIGHMEM
platforms requires preemption to be disabled until the next kunmap()
are two different things, and I don't agree with your assertion that
the name kmap_atomic() implies the latter semantics. If we can avoid
disabling preemption on HIGHMEM, as Thomas suggests, we surely don't
need it on !HIGHMEM either, and given that kmap_atomic() is preferred
today anyway, we can just merge the two implementations. Are there any
existing debug features that could help us spot [ab]use of things like
raw per-CPU data within kmap_atomic regions?

Re your point about deprecating HIGHMEM: some work is underway on ARM
to implement a 3.75/3.75 GB kernel/user split on recent LPAE capable
hardware (which shouldn't suffer from the performance issues that
plagued the 4/4 split on i686), and so hopefully, there is a path
forward for ARM that does not rely on HIGHMEM as it does today.
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-14 20:42 Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 01/13] lib/debug: Remove pointless ARCH_NO_PREEMPT dependencies Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 02/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 03/13] preempt: Clenaup PREEMPT_COUNT leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 04/13] lockdep: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:11   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 05/13] mm/pagemap: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 06/13] locking/bitspinlock: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:10   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 07/13] uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 08/13] sched: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 09/13] ARM: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 10/13] xtensa: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 11/13] drm/i915: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 12/13] rcutorture: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 13/13] preempt: Remove PREEMPT_COUNT from Kconfig Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:54 ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Steven Rostedt
2020-09-14 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 21:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 22:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 22:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15  3:21         ` [PATCH] crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 - Set SG_MITER_ATOMIC unconditionally Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:20         ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-15  6:22           ` Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:39             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <87een35woz.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]       ` <87bli75t7v.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 19:57           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 18:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16  7:37           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 15:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 18:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16 20:43                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  6:38                 ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2020-09-16 20:29               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 20:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 21:43                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 22:39                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  7:52                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-17 16:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-29  8:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:19                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:20                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:23                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  9:00                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-29 14:54                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-16 19:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-16 20:48       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-15 17:25   ` Paul E. McKenney

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