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Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:20:59 +0300
Message-ID: <CAMj1kXHrDU50D08TwLfzz2hCK+8+C7KGPF99PphXtsOYZ-ff1g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wjOV6f_ddg+QVCF6RUe+pXPhSR2WevnNyOs9oT+q2ihEA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 15 Sep 2020 at 01:43, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 3:24 PM Linus Torvalds
> <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ard and Herbert added to participants: see
> > chacha20poly1305_crypt_sg_inplace(), which does
> >
> >         flags = SG_MITER_TO_SG;
> >         if (!preemptible())
> >                 flags |= SG_MITER_ATOMIC;
> >
> > introduced in commit d95312a3ccc0 ("crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 -
> > reimplement crypt_from_sg() routine").
>
> As far as I can tell, the only reason for this all is to try to use
> "kmap()" rather than "kmap_atomic()".
>
> And kmap() actually has the much more complex "might_sleep()" tests,
> and apparently the "preemptible()" check wasn't even the proper full
> debug check, it was just a complete hack to catch the one that
> triggered.
>

This was not driven by a failing check.

The documentation of kmap_atomic() states the following:

 * The use of kmap_atomic/kunmap_atomic is discouraged - kmap/kunmap
 * gives a more generic (and caching) interface. But kmap_atomic can
 * be used in IRQ contexts, so in some (very limited) cases we need
 * it.

so if this is no longer accurate, perhaps we should fix it?

But another reason I tried to avoid kmap_atomic() is that it disables
preemption unconditionally, even on 64-bit architectures where HIGHMEM
is irrelevant. So using kmap_atomic() here means that the bulk of
WireGuard packet encryption runs with preemption disabled, essentially
for legacy reasons.


> From a quick look, that code should probably just get rid of
> SG_MITER_ATOMIC entirely, and alwayse use kmap_atomic().
>
> kmap_atomic() is actually the faster and proper interface to use
> anyway (never mind that any of this matters on any sane hardware). The
> old kmap() and kunmap() interfaces should generally be avoided like
> the plague - yes, they allow sleeping in the middle and that is
> sometimes required, but if you don't need that, you should never ever
> use them.
>
> We used to have a very nasty kmap_atomic() that required people to be
> very careful and know exactly which atomic entry to use, and that was
> admitedly quite nasty.
>
> So it _looks_ like this code started using kmap() - probably back when
> kmap_atomic() was so cumbersome to use - and was then converted
> (conditionally) to kmap_atomic() rather than just changed whole-sale.
> Is there actually something that wants to use those sg_miter functions
> and sleep?
>
> Because if there is, that choice should come from the outside, not
> from inside lib/scatterlist.c trying to make some bad guess based on
> the wrong thing entirely.
>
>                  Linus
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Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-14 20:42 Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 01/13] lib/debug: Remove pointless ARCH_NO_PREEMPT dependencies Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 02/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 03/13] preempt: Clenaup PREEMPT_COUNT leftovers Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 04/13] lockdep: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:11   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 05/13] mm/pagemap: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 06/13] locking/bitspinlock: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-15 16:10   ` Will Deacon
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 07/13] uaccess: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 08/13] sched: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 09/13] ARM: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 10/13] xtensa: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 11/13] drm/i915: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 12/13] rcutorture: " Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:42 ` [patch 13/13] preempt: Remove PREEMPT_COUNT from Kconfig Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 20:54 ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Steven Rostedt
2020-09-14 20:59 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 21:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-14 22:24     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-14 22:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15  3:21         ` [PATCH] crypto: lib/chacha20poly1305 - Set SG_MITER_ATOMIC unconditionally Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:20         ` Ard Biesheuvel [this message]
2020-09-15  6:22           ` [patch 00/13] preempt: Make preempt count unconditional Herbert Xu
2020-09-15  6:39             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]               ` <87een35woz.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:29                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]       ` <87bli75t7v.fsf@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
2020-09-15 17:35         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-15 19:57           ` Thomas Gleixner
2020-09-16 18:34             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16  7:37           ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 15:29             ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 18:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-09-16 20:43                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  6:38                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2020-09-16 20:29               ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 20:58                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-16 21:43                   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-16 22:39                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-17  7:52                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-17 16:28                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-29  8:19                     ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:19                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:20                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:21                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  8:23                       ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-29  9:00                       ` Daniel Vetter
2020-09-29 14:54                         ` Michal Hocko
2020-09-16 19:23     ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-09-16 20:48       ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-15 17:25   ` Paul E. McKenney

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