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From: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
To: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>
Cc: airlied@redhat.com, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, hdegoede@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] drm/gem: Write down some rules for vmap usage
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 10:30:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cdf02ecf-6b64-2bf5-0579-26e0dbb806fe@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70e396bf-e8a3-4871-7ad1-4a90298d8461@amd.com>


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Hi

Am 01.12.20 um 10:13 schrieb Christian König:
> Am 01.12.20 um 09:32 schrieb Thomas Zimmermann:
>> Hi
>>
>> Am 30.11.20 um 16:33 schrieb Christian König:
>>> Am 30.11.20 um 16:30 schrieb Daniel Vetter:
>>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 01:04:26PM +0100, Thomas Zimmermann wrote:
>>>>> Mapping a GEM object's buffer into kernel address space prevents the
>>>>> buffer from being evicted from VRAM, which in turn may result in
>>>>> out-of-memory errors. It's therefore required to only vmap GEM BOs for
>>>>> short periods of time; unless the GEM implementation provides 
>>>>> additional
>>>>> guarantees.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Thomas Zimmermann <tzimmermann@suse.de>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>   drivers/gpu/drm/drm_prime.c |  6 ++++++
>>>>>   include/drm/drm_gem.h       | 16 ++++++++++++++++
>>>>>   2 files changed, 22 insertions(+)
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_prime.c b/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_prime.c
>>>>> index 7db55fce35d8..9c9ece9833e0 100644
>>>>> --- a/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_prime.c
>>>>> +++ b/drivers/gpu/drm/drm_prime.c
>>>>> @@ -669,6 +669,12 @@ EXPORT_SYMBOL(drm_gem_unmap_dma_buf);
>>>>>    * callback. Calls into &drm_gem_object_funcs.vmap for device 
>>>>> specific handling.
>>>>>    * The kernel virtual address is returned in map.
>>>>>    *
>>>>> + * To prevent the GEM object from being relocated, callers must 
>>>>> hold the GEM
>>>>> + * object's reservation lock from when calling this function until 
>>>>> releasing the
>>>>> + * mapping. Holding onto a mapping and the associated reservation 
>>>>> lock for an
>>>>> + * unbound time may result in out-of-memory errors. Calls to 
>>>>> drm_gem_dmabuf_vmap()
>>>>> + * should therefore be accompanied by a call to 
>>>>> drm_gem_dmabuf_vunmap().
>>>>> + *
>>>>>    * Returns 0 on success or a negative errno code otherwise.
>>>> This is a dma-buf hook, which means just documenting the rules you'd 
>>>> like
>>>> to have here isn't enough. We need to roll this out at the dma-buf 
>>>> level,
>>>> and enforce it.
>>>>
>>>> Enforce it = assert_lock_held
>>>>
>>>> Roll out = review everyone. Because this goes through dma-buf it'll 
>>>> come
>>>> back through shmem helpers (and other helpers and other subsystems) 
>>>> back
>>>> to any driver using vmap for gpu buffers. This includes the media
>>>> subsystem, and the media subsystem definitely doesn't cope with just
>>>> temporarily mapping buffers. So there we need to pin them, which I 
>>>> think
>>>> means we'll need 2 version of dma_buf_vmap - one that's temporary and
>>>> requires we hold dma_resv lock, the other requires that the buffer is
>>>> pinned.
>>>
>>> OR start to proper use the dma_buf_pin/dma_buf_unpin functions which 
>>> I added to cover this use case as well.
>>
>> While I generally agree, here are some thoughts:
>>
>> I found all generic pin functions useless, because they don't allow 
>> for specifying where to pin. With fbdev emulation, this means that 
>> console buffers might never make it to VRAM for scanout. If anything, 
>> the policy should be that pin always pins in HW-accessible memory.
> 
> Yes, completely agree. The major missing part here are some kind of 
> usage flags what we want to do with the buffer.

Not sure, but wasn't that not wanted by someone? I don't really remember.

Given Daniel's reply about pin, it really feels like we have 
contradicting policies for this interface.

> 
>>
>> Pin has quite a bit of overhead (more locking, buffer movement), so it 
>> should be the second choice after regular vmap. To make both work 
>> together, pin probably relies on holding the reservation lock internally.
> 
> There is a dma_resv_assert_held() at the beginning of those two functions.
> 
>>
>> Therefore I think we still would want some additional helpers, such as:
>>
>>   pin_unlocked(), which acquires the resv lock, calls regular pin and 
>> then drops the resv lock. Same for unpin_unlocked()
>>
>>   vmap_pinned(), which enforces that the buffer has been pinned and 
>> then calls regalar vmap. Same for vunmap_pinned()
> 
> I would rather open code that in each driver, hiding the locking logic 
> in some midlayer is usually not a good idea.

These helpers are less about hiding logic and more about making drivers 
do the right thing. The idea behind pin_unlocked() is that it drops the 
reservation lock immediately before returning. I suspect that some 
driver might not do that with an open-coded version. And vmap_pinned() 
does check for the BO to be pinned. Regular vmap would assert for the 
reservation lock instead.

Best regards
Thomas

> 
> Regards,
> Christian.
> 
>>
>> A typical pattern with these functions would look like this.
>>
>>     drm_gem_object bo;
>>     dma_buf_map map;
>>
>>     init() {
>>         pin_unlocked(bo);
>>         vmap_pinned(bo, map);
>>     }
>>
>>     worker() {
>>         begin_cpu_access()
>>         // access bo via map
>>         end_cpu_access()
>>     }
>>
>>     fini() {
>>         vunmap_pinned(bo, map);
>>         unpin_unlocked(bo);
>>     }
>>
>>     init()
>>     while (...) {
>>         worker()
>>     }
>>     fini()
>>
>> Is that reasonable for media drivers?
>>
>> Best regards
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Christian.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's what I meant with that this approach here is very sprawling :-/
>>>> -Daniel
> 
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Thomas Zimmermann
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  reply	other threads:[~2020-12-01  9:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-30 12:04 [PATCH 0/8] drm/vram-helper: Lock GEM BOs while they are mapped Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 1/8] drm/gem: Write down some rules for vmap usage Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 15:30   ` Daniel Vetter
2020-11-30 15:33     ` Christian König
2020-12-01  8:32       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01  9:10         ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-01  9:40           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 10:00             ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-01 10:27               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 10:34                 ` Christian König
2020-12-01 11:30                   ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 12:14                     ` Christian König
2020-12-01 12:33                       ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 12:38                         ` Christian König
2020-12-01 12:51                           ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 12:53                             ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01 13:05                               ` Christian König
2020-12-01 16:54                 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-12-01 12:05               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-12-01  9:13         ` Christian König
2020-12-01  9:30           ` Thomas Zimmermann [this message]
2020-12-01  8:15     ` Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 2/8] drm/ast: Only map cursor BOs during updates Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 3/8] drm/vram-helper: Provide drm_gem_vram_vmap_unlocked() Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 4/8] drm/ast: Use drm_gem_vram_vmap_unlocked() in ast_cursor_show() Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 5/8] drm/vboxvideo: Use drm_gem_vram_vmap_unlocked() in cursor update Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 6/8] drm/vram-helper: Remove pinning and locking from drm_gem_vram_vmap() Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 7/8] drm/vram-helper: Remove vmap reference counting Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:04 ` [PATCH 8/8] drm/vram-helper: Simplify vmap implementation Thomas Zimmermann
2020-11-30 12:27 ` [PATCH 0/8] drm/vram-helper: Lock GEM BOs while they are mapped Christian König
2020-11-30 12:45 ` Thomas Zimmermann

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