From: Tom Stellard <tstellar@redhat.com>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
gstreamer-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
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Mesa Dev <mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>,
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intel-gfx <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>
Cc: "X.Org Foundation Board" <board@foundation.x.org>
Subject: Re: [Mesa-dev] gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 17:08:19 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <d008dba6-6b26-1dae-c4bb-790d526506e4@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <662b8d0c-d96b-13cd-d3a1-718550f84e4d@redhat.com>
On 02/27/2020 05:00 PM, Tom Stellard wrote:
> On 02/27/2020 01:27 PM, Daniel Vetter wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> You might have read the short take in the X.org board meeting minutes
>> already, here's the long version.
>>
>> The good news: gitlab.fd.o has become very popular with our
>> communities, and is used extensively. This especially includes all the
>> CI integration. Modern development process and tooling, yay!
>>
>> The bad news: The cost in growth has also been tremendous, and it's
>> breaking our bank account. With reasonable estimates for continued
>> growth we're expecting hosting expenses totalling 75k USD this year,
>> and 90k USD next year. With the current sponsors we've set up we can't
>> sustain that. We estimate that hosting expenses for gitlab.fd.o
>> without any of the CI features enabled would total 30k USD, which is
>> within X.org's ability to support through various sponsorships, mostly
>> through XDC.
>>
>
> Have you looked into applying for free credits from amazon:
>
> https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/opensource/aws-promotional-credits-open-source-projects/
>
Also fastly provides free CDN services to some Open Source projects:
https://www.fastly.com/open-source?utm_medium=social&utm_source=t.co&utm_campaign=FY17Q4_WebPage_OpenSource
It might also be worth looking into if the main costs are
coming from data transfers.
-Tom
> -Tom
>
>> Note that X.org does no longer sponsor any CI runners themselves,
>> we've stopped that. The huge additional expenses are all just in
>> storing and serving build artifacts and images to outside CI runners
>> sponsored by various companies. A related topic is that with the
>> growth in fd.o it's becoming infeasible to maintain it all on
>> volunteer admin time. X.org is therefore also looking for admin
>> sponsorship, at least medium term.
>>
>> Assuming that we want cash flow reserves for one year of gitlab.fd.o
>> (without CI support) and a trimmed XDC and assuming no sponsor payment
>> meanwhile, we'd have to cut CI services somewhere between May and June
>> this year. The board is of course working on acquiring sponsors, but
>> filling a shortfall of this magnitude is neither easy nor quick work,
>> and we therefore decided to give an early warning as soon as possible.
>> Any help in finding sponsors for fd.o is very much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks, Daniel
>>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-02-28 1:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-27 21:27 gitlab.fd.o financial situation and impact on services Daniel Vetter
2020-02-27 23:45 ` Matt Turner
2020-02-28 7:59 ` Daniel Stone
2020-02-28 10:09 ` Jan Engelhardt
2020-02-28 11:11 ` Daniel Stone
2020-02-28 21:20 ` Matt Turner
2020-02-28 0:21 ` Luc Verhaegen
2020-02-28 0:33 ` Carsten Haitzler
2020-02-28 1:00 ` [Mesa-dev] " Tom Stellard
2020-02-28 1:08 ` Tom Stellard [this message]
2020-02-28 3:37 ` [Intel-gfx] " Dave Airlie
2020-02-28 7:44 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-02-28 8:17 ` Daniel Stone
2020-02-28 8:48 ` Dave Airlie
2020-02-28 9:26 ` Daniel Stone
2020-02-28 19:34 ` [Mesa-dev] " Eric Anholt
2020-02-28 20:30 ` Dave Airlie
2020-02-28 21:22 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-02-28 21:37 ` Nuritzi Sanchez
2020-04-04 13:55 ` Andreas Bergmeier
2020-04-05 14:07 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-02-28 9:28 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2020-02-28 9:40 ` Lionel Landwerlin
2020-02-28 10:06 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2020-02-28 10:43 ` Daniel Stone
2020-02-28 11:02 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2020-02-28 11:46 ` Michel Dänzer
2020-02-28 13:08 ` Lionel Landwerlin
2020-02-29 18:14 ` Timur Kristóf
2020-02-29 19:46 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-02-29 20:28 ` Timur Kristóf
2020-02-29 21:54 ` Jason Ekstrand
2020-02-29 22:20 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-03-01 5:46 ` Marek Olšák
2020-04-03 14:12 ` Michel Dänzer
2020-04-04 15:11 ` Rob Clark
2020-04-04 17:47 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-04-04 18:16 ` Rob Clark
2020-04-04 18:41 ` Rob Clark
2020-04-04 18:47 ` Rob Clark
2020-04-04 23:39 ` Peter Hutterer
2020-04-04 23:32 ` Peter Hutterer
2020-04-06 15:42 ` Adam Jackson
2020-04-06 16:34 ` Rob Clark
2020-04-06 17:04 ` Michel Dänzer
2020-04-06 18:00 ` Rob Clark
2020-03-01 14:14 ` [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] " Michel Dänzer
2020-03-01 14:27 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-03-01 19:51 ` Jacob Lifshay
2020-03-01 20:18 ` [Intel-gfx] [Mesa-dev] " Jason Ekstrand
2020-03-01 20:30 ` Bridgman, John
2020-03-01 20:49 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2020-03-02 4:53 ` Jason Ekstrand
2020-02-28 9:47 ` [Mesa-dev] [Intel-gfx] " Daniel Vetter
2020-02-28 10:10 ` Erik Faye-Lund
2020-02-28 10:27 ` Lucas Stach
2020-02-28 11:43 ` Michel Dänzer
2020-02-28 17:00 ` [Intel-gfx] [Mesa-dev] " Rob Clark
2020-02-29 15:58 ` Jason Ekstrand
2020-02-28 18:03 ` [Intel-gfx] " Kristian Høgsberg
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