From: John Hubbard <jhubbard@nvidia.com>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
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"Sean Christopherson" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
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"Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
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<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFCv2 08/16] KVM: Use GUP instead of copy_from/to_user() to access guest memory
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:52:07 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <e78fb7af-627b-ce80-275e-51f97f1f3168@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201026132830.GQ20115@casper.infradead.org>
On 10/26/20 6:28 AM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 25, 2020 at 09:44:07PM -0700, John Hubbard wrote:
>> On 10/25/20 9:21 PM, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>>> I don't think the page pinning approach is ever valid. For file
>>
>> Could you qualify that? Surely you don't mean that the entire pin_user_pages
>> story is a waste of time--I would have expected you to make more noise
>> earlier if you thought that, yes?
>
> I do think page pinning is the wrong approach for everything. I did say
Not *everything*, just "pinning for DMA", right? Because I don't recall
any viable solutions for Direct IO that avoided gup/pup!
Also, back to Case 5: I *could* create a small patchset to change over
the very few Case 5 call sites to use "gup, lock_page(), write to
page...etc", instead of pup. And also, update pin_user_pages.rst to
recommend that approach in similar situations. After all, it's not
really a long-term DMA pin, which is really what pin_user_pages*() is
intended for.
Would that be something you'd like to see happen? It's certainly easy
enough to fix that up. And your retroactive NAK is sufficient motivation
to do so.
> so at the time, and I continue to say so when the opportunity presents
> itself. But shouting about it constantly only annoys people, so I don't
> generally bother. I have other things to work on, and they're productive,
> so I don't need to spend my time arguing.
Sure. As a practical matter, I've assumed that page pinning is not going
to go away any time soon, so I want it to work properly while it's here.
But if there is a viable way to eventually replace dma-pinning with
something better, then let's keep thinking about it. I'm glad to help in
that area.
thanks,
--
John Hubbard
NVIDIA
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-26 20:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-20 6:18 [RFCv2 00/16] KVM protected memory extension Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 01/16] x86/mm: Move force_dma_unencrypted() to common code Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 02/16] x86/kvm: Introduce KVM memory protection feature Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 03/16] x86/kvm: Make DMA pages shared Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 04/16] x86/kvm: Use bounce buffers for KVM memory protection Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 7:46 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-20 8:48 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 05/16] x86/kvm: Make VirtIO use DMA API in KVM guest Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 8:06 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-10-20 12:47 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 9:18 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-22 3:31 ` Halil Pasic
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 06/16] x86/kvmclock: Share hvclock memory with the host Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 07/16] x86/realmode: Share trampoline area if KVM memory protection enabled Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 08/16] KVM: Use GUP instead of copy_from/to_user() to access guest memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 8:25 ` John Hubbard
2020-10-20 12:51 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-22 11:49 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-22 19:58 ` John Hubbard
2020-10-26 4:21 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-26 4:44 ` John Hubbard
2020-10-26 13:28 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-10-26 14:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2020-10-26 20:52 ` John Hubbard [this message]
2020-10-20 17:29 ` Ira Weiny
2020-10-22 11:37 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 09/16] KVM: mm: Introduce VM_KVM_PROTECTED Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-21 18:47 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-22 12:01 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 10/16] KVM: x86: Use GUP for page walk instead of __get_user() Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 11/16] KVM: Protected memory extension Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 7:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-20 12:55 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 12/16] KVM: x86: Enabled protected " Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 9:01 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 13/16] KVM: Rework copy_to/from_guest() to avoid direct mapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 9:40 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 14/16] KVM: Handle protected memory in __kvm_map_gfn()/__kvm_unmap_gfn() Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 10:34 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-20 11:56 ` kernel test robot
2020-10-21 18:50 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-22 12:06 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-22 16:59 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-23 10:36 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-22 3:26 ` Halil Pasic
2020-10-22 12:07 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 15/16] KVM: Unmap protected pages from direct mapping Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 7:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-10-20 12:18 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-20 13:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2020-10-21 1:20 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-26 19:55 ` Tom Lendacky
2020-10-21 18:49 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2020-10-23 12:37 ` Mike Rapoport
2020-10-23 16:32 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-10-20 6:18 ` [RFCv2 16/16] mm: Do not use zero page for VM_KVM_PROTECTED VMAs Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 6:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-20 7:46 ` [RFCv2 00/16] KVM protected memory extension Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-10-20 13:49 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-21 14:46 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-10-23 11:35 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-23 12:01 ` Vitaly Kuznetsov
2020-10-21 18:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-21 18:20 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-26 15:29 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2020-10-26 23:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
2020-10-26 23:58 ` Andy Lutomirski
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