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From: Drew Northup <drew.northup@maine.edu>
To: Alexei Sholik <alcosholik@gmail.com>
Cc: Matthieu Moy <Matthieu.Moy@grenoble-inp.fr>,
	David <bouncingcats@gmail.com>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>,
	Piotr Krukowiecki <piotr.krukowiecki.news@gmail.com>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Consistent terminology: cached/staged/index
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2011 12:41:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1299001318.5247.57.camel@drew-northup.unet.maine.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikCEoc55WuiRNo6Q=sXqTd_WDfVRb6cnN5bRD=0@mail.gmail.com>


On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 19:30 +0200, Alexei Sholik wrote:
> On 1 March 2011 19:02, Drew Northup <drew.northup@maine.edu> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 11:32 +0200, Alexei Sholik wrote:
> >
> >> I guess, people who are friendly with git using the word "index"
> >> because it's easier to type. But it confuses an unprepared reader. The
> >> solution of the problem with confusion must be relevant to these
> >> points:
> >>  - clarify that "index" means the same thing as the "staging area" (in
> >> man if it isn't there already?)
> >
> > Alas, this isn't quite true. Blobs are copied to the .git/objects
> > directory (which I referred to earlier as an object store without proper
> > qualification) with each "git add" action AND are noted in the Index at
> > the same time. Therefore the Index is quite literally containing
> > information about the blobs to be committed without containing the blobs
> > themselves. This is why I find any specific equivalence between Index
> > and "staging area" distasteful--it is misleading.
> 
> There's no reason to make it more confusing by telling all the
> implementation details users are not interested in.

I am not advocating that.

> Once I add a modified file to index (via 'git add') or even add a new
> file, its content is already tracked by git. This is the most relevant
> part.

Agreed.

> It is not relevant from the user's point of view whether it's already
> in .git/objects or not. Once I've staged a file, I can rm it and then
> 'git checkout' it again to the version that's remembered in the
> staging area, i.e. I will not lose it's contents once it's been
> staged.
> 
> If what you're trying to say is that new users think of the 'staging
> area' as some place where the content is stored before a subsequent
> commit, there's nothing bad about it. If they will try to find out
> about it's concrete location in the fs, they'll eventually find out
> about index and its true nature in terms of implementation.

My argument is that we should use "staging area" or "preparation area"
or whatever we end up using as tools to explain the USAGE of Git without
inferring that IT WORKS THAT WAY DEEP INSIDE. That's why I don't want to
claim that the Index is (or means the same thing as) a staging area--we
shouldn't be bothering beginner users with the Index yet anyway. Just
saying that the information gets put into files in .git that act as a
"staging area" is good enough--we don't need to extricate all mentions
of "Index" or "cache" from the documentation.
Unfortunately, if this is not done carefully we end up with people
complaining that the documentation is inconsistent when it is often just
blunt and indelicately worded.

-- 
-Drew Northup
________________________________________________
"As opposed to vegetable or mineral error?"
-John Pescatore, SANS NewsBites Vol. 12 Num. 59

  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-01 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-13 19:20 Consistent terminology: cached/staged/index Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-13 19:37 ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-13 22:58   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14  2:05     ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14  5:57       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14  6:27         ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14  6:59           ` Johannes Sixt
2011-02-14  7:07             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 10:42               ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 11:04                 ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 17:12                   ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 22:07                     ` Miles Bader
2011-02-14 22:59                       ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 23:47                         ` Miles Bader
2011-02-15  0:12                           ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-14 13:14                 ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 13:43                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 13:57                     ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 14:17                     ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14 14:21                       ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2011-02-14 14:40                         ` Jakub Narebski
2011-02-14 15:24                       ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 16:00                         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14 16:04                           ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-14 16:27                             ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-14  3:09     ` Pete Harlan
2011-02-16 23:11       ` Drew Northup
2011-02-26 20:36         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-27 15:30           ` Drew Northup
2011-02-27 21:16       ` Aghiles
2011-02-28 20:53         ` Drew Northup
2011-02-14 22:32     ` Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-14 23:19       ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-15  8:29         ` Pete Harlan
2011-02-15  9:00           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-15 18:15         ` Piotr Krukowiecki
2011-02-15 18:38           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-26 21:09         ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-26 21:51           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-27  0:01             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-27  0:16             ` Felipe Contreras
2011-02-27  0:46               ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-02-27  8:15               ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-27  8:43           ` Jeff King
2011-02-27  9:21             ` Miles Bader
2011-02-27 22:28               ` Jon Seymour
2011-02-27 23:57                 ` Junio C Hamano
2011-02-28  9:38                   ` Michael J Gruber
2011-02-27 15:34             ` Drew Northup
2011-02-28 23:03               ` Jeff King
2011-03-01  9:11                 ` David
2011-03-01  9:15                   ` Matthieu Moy
2011-03-01  9:32                     ` Alexei Sholik
2011-03-01 17:02                       ` Drew Northup
2011-03-01 17:30                         ` Alexei Sholik
2011-03-01 17:41                           ` Drew Northup [this message]
2011-03-01  9:27                   ` Alexey Feldgendler
2011-03-01 16:46                     ` Drew Northup
2011-03-04 17:18                       ` Felipe Contreras
2011-03-05  4:53                         ` Miles Bader
2011-03-05  5:00                           ` Jonathan Nieder
2011-03-06 12:44                           ` Drew Northup
     [not found]               ` <878466.93199.1298934204331.JavaMail.trustmail@mail1.terreactive.ch>
2011-03-01  8:43                 ` Victor Engmark
2011-02-27 18:46           ` Phil Hord
2011-03-01 10:29 ` Jonathan Nieder

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