From: Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com> To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>, git@vger.kernel.org Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 15:21:29 -0400 Message-ID: <1edd9eb1-365b-b4f7-87f8-3ad35bd7d5be@xiplink.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20200917112830.26606-3-avarab@gmail.com> On 2020-09-17 7:28 a.m., Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > As amusing as Linus's original prose[1] is here it doesn't really explain > in any detail to the uninitiated why you would or wouldn't enable > this, and the counter-intuitive reason for why git wouldn't fsync your > precious data. > > So elaborate (a lot) on why this may or may not be needed. This is my > best-effort attempt to summarize the various points raised in the last > ML[2] discussion about this. > > 1. aafe9fbaf4 ("Add config option to enable 'fsync()' of object > files", 2008-06-18) > 2. https://lore.kernel.org/git/20180117184828.31816-1-hch@lst.de/ > > Signed-off-by: Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> > --- > Documentation/config/core.txt | 42 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----- > 1 file changed, 36 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/Documentation/config/core.txt b/Documentation/config/core.txt > index 74619a9c03..5b47670c16 100644 > --- a/Documentation/config/core.txt > +++ b/Documentation/config/core.txt > @@ -548,12 +548,42 @@ core.whitespace:: > errors. The default tab width is 8. Allowed values are 1 to 63. > > core.fsyncObjectFiles:: > - This boolean will enable 'fsync()' when writing object files. > -+ > -This is a total waste of time and effort on a filesystem that orders > -data writes properly, but can be useful for filesystems that do not use > -journalling (traditional UNIX filesystems) or that only journal metadata > -and not file contents (OS X's HFS+, or Linux ext3 with "data=writeback"). > + This boolean will enable 'fsync()' when writing loose object > + files. Both the file itself and its containng directory will Typo: containng M. > + be fsynced. > ++ > +When git writes data any required object writes will precede the > +corresponding reference update(s). For example, a > +linkgit:git-receive-pack[1] accepting a push might write a pack or > +loose objects (depending on settings such as `transfer.unpackLimit`). > ++ > +Therefore on a journaled file system which ensures that data is > +flushed to disk in chronological order an fsync shouldn't be > +needed. The loose objects might be lost with a crash, but so will the > +ref update that would have referenced them. Git's own state in such a > +crash will remain consistent. > ++ > +This option exists because that assumption doesn't hold on filesystems > +where the data ordering is not preserved, such as on ext3 and ext4 > +with "data=writeback". On such a filesystem the `rename()` that drops > +the new reference in place might be preserved, but the contents or > +directory entry for the loose object(s) might not have been synced to > +disk. > ++ > +Enabling this option might slow git down by a lot in some > +cases. E.g. in the case of a naïve bulk import tool which might create > +a million loose objects before a final ref update and `gc`. In other > +more common cases such as on a server being pushed to with default > +`transfer.unpackLimit` settings the difference might not be noticable. > ++ > +However, that's highly filesystem-dependent, on some filesystems > +simply calling fsync() might force an unrelated bulk background write > +to be serialized to disk. Such edge cases are the reason this option > +is off by default. That default setting might change in future > +versions. > ++ > +In older versions of git only the descriptor for the file itself was > +fsynced, not its directory entry. > > core.preloadIndex:: > Enable parallel index preload for operations like 'git diff' >
next prev parent reply index Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2018-01-17 18:48 [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 19:04 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-17 19:35 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 20:05 ` Andreas Schwab 2018-01-17 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox 2018-01-17 19:42 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-17 21:44 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-17 22:07 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 22:25 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 23:16 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-17 23:42 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-17 23:52 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-17 23:57 ` Linus Torvalds 2018-01-18 16:27 ` Christoph Hellwig 2018-01-19 19:08 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-20 22:14 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-20 22:27 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-22 15:09 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2018-01-22 18:09 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-23 0:47 ` Jeff King 2018-01-23 5:45 ` Theodore Ts'o 2018-01-23 16:17 ` Jeff King 2018-01-23 0:25 ` Jeff King 2018-01-21 21:32 ` Chris Mason 2020-09-17 11:06 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] should core.fsyncObjectFiles fsync the dir entry + docs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFiles Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 13:16 ` Jeff King 2020-09-17 15:09 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 14:09 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 14:55 ` Jeff King 2020-09-17 14:56 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:37 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-09-17 17:12 ` Jeff King 2020-09-17 20:37 ` Taylor Blau 2020-09-22 10:42 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 20:21 ` Johannes Sixt 2020-09-22 8:24 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-11-19 11:38 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-09-17 11:28 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-09-17 14:12 ` Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:43 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-09-17 20:15 ` Johannes Sixt 2020-10-08 8:13 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-10-08 15:57 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 2020-10-08 18:53 ` Junio C Hamano 2020-10-09 10:44 ` Johannes Schindelin 2020-09-17 19:21 ` Marc Branchaud [this message] 2020-09-17 14:14 ` [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig 2020-09-17 15:30 ` Junio C Hamano 2018-01-17 20:55 ` Jeff King 2018-01-17 21:10 ` Christoph Hellwig
Reply instructions: You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email using any one of the following methods: * Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client, and reply-to-all from there: mbox Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style * Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to switches of git-send-email(1): git send-email \ --in-reply-to=1edd9eb1-365b-b4f7-87f8-3ad35bd7d5be@xiplink.com \ --to=marcnarc@xiplink.com \ --cc=avarab@gmail.com \ --cc=git@vger.kernel.org \ --cc=gitster@pobox.com \ --cc=hch@lst.de \ /path/to/YOUR_REPLY https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html * If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Git Mailing List Archive on lore.kernel.org Archives are clonable: git clone --mirror https://lore.kernel.org/git/0 git/git/0.git # If you have public-inbox 1.1+ installed, you may # initialize and index your mirror using the following commands: public-inbox-init -V2 git git/ https://lore.kernel.org/git \ git@vger.kernel.org public-inbox-index git Example config snippet for mirrors Newsgroup available over NNTP: nntp://nntp.lore.kernel.org/org.kernel.vger.git AGPL code for this site: git clone https://public-inbox.org/public-inbox.git