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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Perry Wagle <wagle@cs.indiana.edu>
Cc: Teemu Likonen <tlikonen@iki.fi>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Petr Baudis <pasky@suse.cz>, Kristian H??gsberg <krh@redhat.com>,
	Matthias Kestenholz <mk@spinlock.ch>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ulrich Windl <ulrich.windl@rz.uni-regensburg.DE>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:23:47 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080828212346.GA27867@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4B9831F7-3CB8-49CB-A1DB-111481A271FE@cs.indiana.edu>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 01:23:50PM -0700, Perry Wagle wrote:

> But, my problem is not git<DASH> vs git<SPACE>, but the slap-dash way  
> upward compatibility was broken and the "water over the dam" slippery  
> slope rationalizations that refuse to consider reverting.  "You" will do 
> it again in the future since you are declaring success here.  And "you" 
> have likely done it in the past 6 months.

I don't think Junio is declaring success. In fact, I think he has sent
several messages saying (paraphrasing of course):

  - this was obviously not done in the best manner possible, because of
    the number of people complaining

  - we will try to do better about notification next time such a change
    is made. Please make suggestions about how to do so.

  - since we have already released and already broken everybody, and
    these people are now complaining on the list, there is not much
    point in trying to notify people of _this_ change now

Junio (and others) have tried to be very careful about breaking
backwards compatibility, especially for scripting interfaces. We thought
sufficient steps were taken this time, but clearly some disagree.

So please stop making specious claims that there are crazy
backwards-incompatibility bugs lurking throughout new versions of git.
If there are, then please find and name them. If not, then I think the
git community would welcome suggestions about how better to notify users
about the rare changes like this one.

-Peff

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28 21:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-24  3:33 [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Junio C Hamano
2008-08-24  4:23 ` [kernel.org users] " Linus Torvalds
2008-08-24  4:54   ` Imran M Yousuf
2008-08-24  8:40 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-25 11:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-25 12:17   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-25 12:43   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26  3:00     ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-25 13:22   ` Ben Collins
2008-08-25 14:38     ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-25 18:19   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-25 23:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 12:27       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 14:57       ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 15:34         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 15:59           ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 16:04             ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-26 16:25               ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 16:45                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26 17:04                   ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 17:27                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27  6:04                       ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-26 17:10                   ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:11                     ` [PATCH] bash completion: Hide more plumbing commands Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:24                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:43                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-26 18:25                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 18:27                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:04                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-08-26 19:07                             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:23                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-09-03 22:23                           ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-03 22:31                             ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-03 17:56                         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-04  4:57                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:53                       ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-27  9:09                         ` Karl Hasselström
2008-08-26 17:12                     ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:16                       ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:47                         ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2008-08-26 21:06                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-08-27 20:24                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:27                             ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 20:38                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:53                                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 21:05                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 21:13                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:22                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 22:29                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 23:49                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28  6:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28  7:46                                       ` git-show vs git-log (or: git show vs git log) Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-28 14:44                                       ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Alex Riesen
2008-08-28  5:43                                 ` Mike Hommey
2008-08-27 20:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27  6:00                   ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-27  7:59                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 19:14                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 19:43                     ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 19:50                       ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 19:54                         ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 20:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 21:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:27                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-27 23:53                                 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  0:05                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  9:04                                     ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 10:33                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:42                                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28 19:56                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:47                                         ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 16:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 19:24                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 19:52                                             ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 20:23                                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 20:44                                                 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57                                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:23                                                 ` Jeff King [this message]
2008-08-28 21:41                                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:53                                                     ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 21:59                                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 22:33                                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:04                                                         ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:22                                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:36                                                             ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:24                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 23:28                                                             ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:30                                                             ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 23:41                                                             ` git-* in test scripts (was On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins) Jeff King
2008-08-29  0:04                                                               ` git-* in test scripts Junio C Hamano
2008-08-29  0:10                                                                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-29  7:51                                                           ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29  8:05                                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-29  8:23                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29  8:27                                                               ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-29  9:02                                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-28 23:12                                                         ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 15:24                                                           ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:11                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:24                                                               ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:28                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:41                                                                   ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-30  8:13                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-28 23:31                                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-29  9:33                                                   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-08-30 13:24                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-30 13:50                                                       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-30 14:08                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 17:07                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:42                   ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-26 16:17             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 16:23             ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 16:50               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 17:20                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27  7:42                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-27  8:21                     ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27 15:14                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-26 20:14               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27  7:42                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27  8:32                 ` [kernel.org users] " Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-26 17:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 17:29               ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-26 17:35                 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38                   ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-28 15:21                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 17:34               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 18:09               ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 18:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 18:55                   ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 19:22                       ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:11                     ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 15:24                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 21:08                   ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 21:28                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 23:21                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 15:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:09                       ` Russell King
2008-08-27 23:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 19:19                           ` Russell King
2008-08-28 20:10                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 20:30                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 20:36                               ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 21:05                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  1:25                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27  0:34               ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-27 12:23           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-08-26 20:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:03           ` Jeff King
2008-08-27  2:24             ` Jay Soffian
2008-08-27 14:49               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-26 23:36           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-26 23:45           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 15:32             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-27  0:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 22:52             ` Russell King
2008-08-28 15:34               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 16:10                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 19:18                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 19:27                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 23:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28  0:09               ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28  0:44                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28  7:14               ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28  8:17                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28  8:32                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28  8:57                     ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 11:54                       ` Al Viro
2008-08-28 13:15                         ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:34                           ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:45                             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-08-28 16:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 20:42                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:03                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-28 23:14                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:45                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:55                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 14:12                               ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 14:06                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 14:13                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 16:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26  2:58   ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26  7:17     ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 11:12       ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26 11:56         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-26 21:00           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 14:28         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 14:46       ` Jeff King

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