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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	d9ba@mailtor.net, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Harmful LESS flags
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 16:08:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140424230812.GM15516@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ha5i9wkp.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>

Hi,

David Kastrup wrote:
> Jeff King <peff@peff.net> writes:

>> There are two questions here:
>>
>>   1. Can less do a better job of indicating what's in the input when -S
>>      is in effect?
>>
>>   2. What should get put into $LESS by default?
>>
>> I was specifically addressing (1). Your comment does not help at all
>> there.
>>
>> It could have an impact on (2), but you didn't say anything besides "I
>> don't like it". That doesn't add anything to the conversation.
>
> No, I said it is useless, which is different from "I don't like it".
> The information is not copy&pastable from a terminal window since it is
> cut off.  It is also useless for review since one does not actually know
> what's in there.  The only thing it has going for it is that it's
> prettier than the actually usable information.

I disagree with your characterization of what's useful here, but it
really doesn't matter.  Why are you still arguing?

I think it would be fine to change git's default for LESS to FRX and
document that change wherever the documentation currently mentions
FRSX, if someone wants to write a patch for it.  (Such a change would
sit in "pu" or "next" until after 2.0.0 is released, of course.)

In the meantime, when you're on machines using the current default,
you have two choices:

 a) set the LESS envvar in your .profile explicitly
 b) hit the two keys '-', shift+S when git opens a pager

The argument about safety is a red herring here, since it's always
possible that a patch will wrap to make new lines with '+' or '-' or
'@@' at the beginning that are equally confusing.

Hoping that clarifies,
Jonathan

  reply	other threads:[~2014-04-24 23:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-23 23:46 Harmful LESS flags d9ba
2014-04-24  0:11 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-28 21:38   ` Mark Nudelman
2014-04-24  5:06 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 19:02   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 19:21     ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 19:29       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 19:50         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 21:35         ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 21:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-24 22:02             ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 21:48           ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 22:13             ` Jeff King
2014-04-24 22:44               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-24 23:08                 ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2014-04-25  6:56     ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-25 15:11       ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-25 15:32         ` David Kastrup
2014-04-25 15:47           ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-28  8:34             ` [PATCH] PAGER_ENV: remove 'S' from $LESS by default Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28  8:43               ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28  8:59                 ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28  9:14                   ` David Kastrup
2014-04-28 12:22                     ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-28 16:24                       ` Jeff King
2014-04-28 18:48                         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-29 12:29                           ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-29 17:01                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30  7:35                               ` [PATCH v2] pager: " Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 15:38                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 15:49                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 17:34                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-05 18:44                                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-05-05 20:10                                   ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-06 17:34                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-06 18:00                                       ` David Kastrup
2014-05-06 18:49                                         ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-06 21:55                                           ` Jeff King
2014-05-07 17:07                                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-07 17:54                                               ` Matthieu Moy
2014-05-07 20:42                                                 ` Junio C Hamano

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