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From: "W. Trevor King" <wking@tremily.us>
To: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
Cc: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	Marc Branchaud <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	Marat Radchenko <marat@slonopotamus.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 15:01:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140502220107.GO28634@odin.tremily.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53640bc1ee6eb_135215292ec95@nysa.notmuch>

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On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 04:18:57PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> W. Trevor King wrote:
> > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 03:34:34PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > W. Trevor King wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 02:13:25PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> > > > > It would matter almost exactly zero.
> > > > 
> > > > Some folks have explicit merge policies, and deciding how much
> > > > that matters is probably best left up to the projects themselves
> > > > and not decided in Git code.
> > > 
> > > Let's make some fake numbers to see around how much this would matter.
> > 
> > The point isn't that this is a huge flaw, the point is that we should
> > be able to configure Git to match sane workflows.
> 
> The point is that we are tainting a discussion about how to improve the
> defaults for the vast majority of users

I've renamed this sub-thread (which started around $gmane/247835) to
avoid potential confusion/dilution.

> > The goal is to train them to do:
> > 
> > >   % git config --global pull.mode none
> > >   % git fetch
> > >   % git merge --no-ff

Sticking to my 'no-ff' topic branch example, this should have been:

  git merge --no-ff remote branch

I want folks to use --ff-only when pulling their default upstream.

> > The 'git pull' (with 'none' mode) explainer just helps retrain folks
> > that are already using the current 'git pull' incorrectly.
> 
> If you are going to train them to use a configuration, it should be:
> 
> % git config --global pull.ff false

I don't want all pulls to be --no-ff, only pulls from topic branches.
I think adding a prompt or making the integration a two-step
fetch/merge are both ways to jog a user into consciously evaluating
their actions.  I don't see how a changing the default single-step
pull strategy (whatever it is) will.  I also don't look forward to
explaining an adaptive strategy that tries to get my workflow right
without command-line ff options to folks on their first day using Git.

Cheers,
Trevor

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-02 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-28  6:29 A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Marat Radchenko
2014-04-28 18:41 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 14:21   ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 14:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:45       ` Pull is Evil Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 20:01         ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-04-30 20:01         ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 21:48           ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-02  7:40           ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02  8:46             ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03  6:17               ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-03  6:55                 ` David Kastrup
2014-04-30 20:14         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 22:06           ` Marc Branchaud
2014-04-30 22:25             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01  9:46               ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 10:48                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:16                   ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 19:16                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:48                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:07                         ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 23:25                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  0:02                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  0:37                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  1:10                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  1:14                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 14:54                                     ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 18:55                                       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:07                                         ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 19:10                                           ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 19:13                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:46                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 20:34                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 21:13                                                 ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02 21:18                                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:01                                                     ` W. Trevor King [this message]
2014-05-02 22:20                                                       ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' (was: Pull is Evil) Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03  0:05                                                         ` pull.prompt or other way to slow/disable 'git pull' W. Trevor King
2014-05-03  9:50                                                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 18:51                                                             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-04 20:54                                                               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:20                         ` Re: Pull is Evil Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 15:20                 ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 17:56                   ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 18:04                     ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 18:30                       ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-01 20:21                         ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 23:28                           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02  7:16                           ` Andreas Krey
2014-05-02  8:14                             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:29                           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 19:53                             ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-01 23:45                       ` brian m. carlson
2014-05-01 23:39                         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:22                   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 19:43                     ` Marc Branchaud
2014-05-01 19:27                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 21:06         ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 21:16           ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-01 23:34           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-01 23:59             ` W. Trevor King
2014-05-02  0:31               ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:47     ` Pull is Evil (was: Re: A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment) Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 17:09       ` Pull is Evil Matthieu Moy
2014-04-30 18:31         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:10           ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 19:32             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 19:53               ` Junio C Hamano
2014-04-30 20:11                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-04-30 16:12 ` A failing attempt to use Git in a centralized environment Stepan Kasal
2014-04-30 17:15 ` Geert Bosch
2014-05-04  8:58   ` John Szakmeister
2014-05-02 20:56 ` Max Kirillov

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