From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48F0CC35242 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24C332086A for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:55:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731712AbgBKTzv (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:55:51 -0500 Received: from cloud.peff.net ([104.130.231.41]:57856 "HELO cloud.peff.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S1730021AbgBKTzv (ORCPT ); Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:55:51 -0500 Received: (qmail 9458 invoked by uid 109); 11 Feb 2020 19:55:51 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO peff.net) (10.0.1.2) by cloud.peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with SMTP; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 19:55:51 +0000 Authentication-Results: cloud.peff.net; auth=none Received: (qmail 1478 invoked by uid 111); 11 Feb 2020 20:04:42 -0000 Received: from coredump.intra.peff.net (HELO sigill.intra.peff.net) (10.0.0.2) by peff.net (qpsmtpd/0.94) with (TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 encrypted) ESMTPS; Tue, 11 Feb 2020 15:04:42 -0500 Authentication-Results: peff.net; auth=none Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:55:49 -0500 From: Jeff King To: Aleksey Midenkov Cc: Abhishek Kumar , Git Mailing List Subject: Re: Git tedious verbosity Message-ID: <20200211195549.GE2127797@coredump.intra.peff.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Feb 11, 2020 at 05:19:53PM +0300, Aleksey Midenkov wrote: > Nice info, thanks. Does that disable maintenance messages like: > > Updated 1 path from the index I don't think it does. Usually how this works is that we add new messages which we think might be helpful, enable them by default (since users aren't likely to find out about them if they never see them!), and then if they turn out to be annoying or verbose, add an advice.* config option to allow people to avoid them. The message quoted above is a relatively new one, and I don't think it's hit that third step yet. Patches welcome. :) > Or gc about garbage collection? Actually bad defaults is big problem > developers undeservedly ignore. You can control everything but you > have to switch hundreds of options, because software defaults are > oriented on dumbest user. Let's overcome this bad tendency and satisfy > smartest users, not the dumbest ones. Unix was always terse system > which provided little to no output by default. Let's honor that good > tradition and not submit to "Google-Got-It" virus. The goal of the process above is to find a balance between experienced and inexperienced users. We try to be helpful to one, but provide options for the other to customize. -Peff