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From: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de,
	sandals@crustytoothpaste.net, steadmon@google.com,
	jrnieder@gmail.com, peff@peff.net, congdanhqx@gmail.com,
	phillip.wood123@gmail.com, emilyshaffer@google.com,
	sluongng@gmail.com, jonathantanmy@google.com,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 05/18] maintenance: add commit-graph task
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 21:52:40 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200725015240.GD35171@syl.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqy2n8lmq3.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 12:47:00PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > But you are discussing here how the _behavior_ can change when
> > --auto is specified. And specifically, "git gc --auto" really
> > meant "This is running after a foreground command, so only do
> > work if necessary and do it quickly to minimize blocking time."
> >
> > I'd be happy to replace "--auto" with "--quick" in the
> > maintenance builtin.
> >
> > This opens up some extra design space for how the individual
> > tasks perform depending on "--quick" being specified or not.
> > My intention was to create tasks that are already in "quick"
> > mode:
> >
> > * loose-objects have a maximum batch size.
> > * incremental-repack is capped in size.
> > * commit-graph uses the --split option.
> >
> > But this "quick" distinction might be important for some of
> > the tasks we intend to extract from the gc builtin.
>
> Yup.  To be honest, I came to this topic from a completely different
> direction.  The field name "auto" alone (and no other field name)
> had to have an extra cruft (i.e. "_flag") attached to it, which is
> understandable but ugly.  Then I started thinking if 'auto(matic)'
> is really the right word to describe what we want out of the option,
> and came to the realization that there may be better words.

I wonder what the quick and slow paths are here. For the commit-graph
code, what you wrote here seems to match what I'd expect with passing
'--auto' in the sense of running 'git gc'. That is, I'm leaving it up to
the commit-graph machinery's idea of the normal '--split' rules to
figure out when to roll up layers of a commit-graph, as opposed to
creating a new layer and extending the chain.

So, I think that makes sense if the caller gave '--auto'. But, I'm not
sure that it makes sense if they didn't, in which case I'd imagine
something quicker to happen. There, I'd expect something more like:

  1. Run 'git commit-graph write --reachable --split=no-merge'.
  2. Run 'git commit-graph verify'.
  3. If 'git commit-graph verify' failed, drop the existing commit graph
     and rebuild it with 'git commit-graph --reachable --split=replace'.
  4. Otherwise, do nothing.

I'm biased, of course, but I think that that matches roughly what I'd
expect to happen in the fast/slow path. Granted, the steps to rebuild
the commit graph are going to be slow no matter what (depending on the
size of the repository), and so in that case maybe the commit-graph
should just be dropped. I'm not really sure what to do about that...

> > Since the tasks are frequently running subcommands, returning
> > 0 for success and non-zero for error matches the error codes
> > returned by those subcommands.
>
> As long as these will _never_ be called from other helper functions
> but from the cmd_foo() top-level and their return values are only
> used directly as the top-level's return value, I do not mind too
> much.
>
> But whenever I am writing such a code, I find myself not brave
> enough to make such a bold promise (I saw other people call the
> helpers I wrote in unintended ways and had to adjust the semantics
> of them to accomodate the new callers too many times), so I'd rather
> see the caller do "return !!helper_fn()" to allow helper_fn() to be
> written more naturally (e.g. letting them return error(...)).
>
> Thanks.

Thanks,
Taylor

  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-25  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-07 14:21 [PATCH 00/21] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 01/21] gc: use the_repository less often Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 02/21] gc: use repository in too_many_loose_objects() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 03/21] gc: use repo config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 04/21] gc: drop the_repository in log location Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:22   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 11:13     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 05/21] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 06/21] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 07/21] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 08/21] maintenance: initialize task array and hashmap Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:25   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 13:15     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 13:51       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 09/21] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:29   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 11:14     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 22:52       ` Jeff King
2020-07-09 23:41         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 10/21] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 11/21] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 12/21] maintenance: add fetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:35   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 13/21] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 14/21] maintenance: add pack-files task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 15/21] maintenance: auto-size pack-files batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 16/21] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 17/21] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 18/21] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 19/21] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 20/21] maintenance: add pack-files auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 21/21] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-08 23:57 ` [PATCH 00/21] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Emily Shaffer
2020-07-09 11:21   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 12:43     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 23:16       ` Jeff King
2020-07-09 23:45         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-10 18:46           ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-10 19:30             ` Son Luong Ngoc
2020-07-09 14:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-09 15:54       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 16:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-09 16:56           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 01/18] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-25  1:26     ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-25  1:47     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-07-29 22:19     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-07-30 13:12       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-31  0:30         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 17:37           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-03 17:46             ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 22:46               ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 23:01                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 23:08                   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 23:17                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04  0:07                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-04 13:32                       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 14:42                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04 16:32                           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 17:02                             ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04 17:51                               ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-05 15:02               ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-31 16:40         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 23:52         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 02/18] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 03/18] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:33       ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-30 13:29       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 13:31         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:00           ` Eric Sunshine
2020-07-30 20:21             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 04/18] maintenance: initialize task array Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 19:57     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 12:23       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 12:51         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:46           ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-29 22:19     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 05/18] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 13:09       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:52           ` Taylor Blau [this message]
2020-07-30 13:59             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-29  0:22     ` Jeff King
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 06/18] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 22:18       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 13:36       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 07/18] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 08/18] maintenance: add prefetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 14:25       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 20:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:37     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-07-25  1:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-27 14:07         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-27 16:13           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-27 18:27             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-28 16:37               ` [PATCH v2] fetch: optionally allow disabling FETCH_HEAD update Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29  9:12                 ` Phillip Wood
2020-07-29  9:17                   ` Phillip Wood
2020-07-30 15:17                 ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 09/18] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 14:50       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:57         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 22:21     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 15:38       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 10/18] maintenance: add incremental-repack task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 22:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 15:03       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-29 22:22     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 11/18] maintenance: auto-size incremental-repack batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 22:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 23:09       ` Eric Sunshine
2020-07-23 23:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 16:09           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:51       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 20:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 22:23     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 16:57       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:02         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:24           ` Chris Torek
2020-08-05 12:37           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-08-06 13:54             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 12/18] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 13/18] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 14/18] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 15/18] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 16/18] maintenance: add incremental-repack auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 17/18] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 18/18] maintenance: add trace2 regions for task execution Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-29 22:03   ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 22:24   ` [PATCH v3 00/20] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 01/20] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 02/20] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 03/20] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 04/20] maintenance: initialize task array Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 05/20] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 06/20] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 07/20] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 08/20] fetch: optionally allow disabling FETCH_HEAD update Junio C Hamano via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 09/20] maintenance: add prefetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 10/20] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 11/20] midx: enable core.multiPackIndex by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 12/20] maintenance: add incremental-repack task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 13/20] maintenance: auto-size incremental-repack batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 23:36       ` Chris Torek
2020-08-03 17:43         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 14/20] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 15/20] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 16/20] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 17/20] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 18/20] maintenance: add incremental-repack auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 19/20] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 20/20] maintenance: add trace2 regions for task execution Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 23:06     ` [PATCH v3 00/20] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Junio C Hamano
2020-07-30 23:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-31  2:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-06 17:58     ` Derrick Stolee

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