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From: Jonathan Nieder <jrnieder@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de,
	sandals@crustytoothpaste.net, steadmon@google.com, peff@peff.net,
	congdanhqx@gmail.com, phillip.wood123@gmail.com,
	emilyshaffer@google.com, sluongng@gmail.com,
	jonathantanmy@google.com,
	Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <dstolee@microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/18] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:40:01 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200731164001.GA1252647@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5cbdb559-3897-961f-4dd3-0bab11848c5b@gmail.com>

Derrick Stolee wrote:
> On 7/29/2020 6:19 PM, Jonathan Nieder wrote:
> > Derrick Stolee wrote:

>>> --- /dev/null
>>> +++ b/Documentation/git-maintenance.txt
>>> @@ -0,0 +1,57 @@
>> [...]
>>> +SUBCOMMANDS
>>> +-----------
>>> +
>>> +run::
>>> +	Run one or more maintenance tasks.
>>
>> [jrnieder] How do I supply the tasks on the command line?  Are they
>> parameters to this subcommand?  If so, it could make sense for this to
>> say something like
>>
>> 	run <task>...::
>
> Hopefully this is documented to your satisfaction when the ability
> to customize the tasks is implemented.

I think my last reply to this part missed the point a little, so let
me try again.

In multi-patch series, requests to make improvements to early parts
that would be obsoleted by later parts may seem strange --- isn't this
just wasted work?  Sure, occasionally someone will stumble on the
early part using "git bisect" or "git log", but isn't that rare enough
to not be worth worrying too much about?

And I'd agree with that reaction --- for a documentation nit like this
one, that benefit alone is probably not enough to be worth the fuss of
tweaking things.

When I focus more on early parts of a series, it is for a different
reason: from a release management point of view, it is useful to get
the early part of a series "cooked" as soon as possible so it can be
exposed to users in "next" and then become a foundation for later
patches in "master".  So we try to get as much of the early part of a
series into that state as we can, and to merge the early part even
without the later part as soon as the former is ready and valuable
enough to users on its own.

Relatedly, ensuring each commit is "complete" in this sense on its own
gives us more flexibility in case a problem is discovered later: we
can revert a patch that is causing issues without having to revert the
preceding part.

I think that might be part of the context I didn't convey well, and
why I want to get this in tip-top shape and start using it.

Thanks,
Jonathan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-31 16:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 164+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-07 14:21 [PATCH 00/21] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 01/21] gc: use the_repository less often Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 02/21] gc: use repository in too_many_loose_objects() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 03/21] gc: use repo config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 04/21] gc: drop the_repository in log location Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:22   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 11:13     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 05/21] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 06/21] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 07/21] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 08/21] maintenance: initialize task array and hashmap Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:25   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 13:15     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 13:51       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 09/21] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:29   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-09 11:14     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 22:52       ` Jeff King
2020-07-09 23:41         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 10/21] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 11/21] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 12/21] maintenance: add fetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-09  2:35   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 13/21] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 14/21] maintenance: add pack-files task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 15/21] maintenance: auto-size pack-files batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 16/21] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 17/21] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 18/21] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 19/21] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 20/21] maintenance: add pack-files auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-07 14:21 ` [PATCH 21/21] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-08 23:57 ` [PATCH 00/21] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Emily Shaffer
2020-07-09 11:21   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 12:43     ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 23:16       ` Jeff King
2020-07-09 23:45         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-10 18:46           ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-10 19:30             ` Son Luong Ngoc
2020-07-09 14:05     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-09 15:54       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-09 16:26         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-09 16:56           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56 ` [PATCH v2 00/18] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 01/18] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-25  1:26     ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-25  1:47     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-07-29 22:19     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-07-30 13:12       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-31  0:30         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 17:37           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-03 17:46             ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 22:46               ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 23:01                 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-03 23:08                   ` Taylor Blau
2020-08-03 23:17                     ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04  0:07                       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-04 13:32                       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 14:42                         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04 16:32                           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-04 17:02                             ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-08-04 17:51                               ` Derrick Stolee
2020-08-05 15:02               ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-31 16:40         ` Jonathan Nieder [this message]
2020-08-03 23:52         ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 02/18] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 03/18] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:33       ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-30 13:29       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 13:31         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:00           ` Eric Sunshine
2020-07-30 20:21             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 04/18] maintenance: initialize task array Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 19:57     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 12:23       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 12:51         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:46           ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-29 22:19     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 05/18] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:22     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 13:09       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:52           ` Taylor Blau
2020-07-30 13:59             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-29  0:22     ` Jeff King
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 06/18] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:21     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 22:18       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 13:36       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:50         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 07/18] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 08/18] maintenance: add prefetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:53     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 14:25       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 20:47         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-25  1:37     ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-07-25  1:48       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-27 14:07         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-27 16:13           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-27 18:27             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-28 16:37               ` [PATCH v2] fetch: optionally allow disabling FETCH_HEAD update Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29  9:12                 ` Phillip Wood
2020-07-29  9:17                   ` Phillip Wood
2020-07-30 15:17                 ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 09/18] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 20:59     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 14:50       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:57         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 22:21     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 15:38       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 10/18] maintenance: add incremental-repack task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 22:00     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 15:03       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-29 22:22     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 11/18] maintenance: auto-size incremental-repack batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 22:15     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-23 23:09       ` Eric Sunshine
2020-07-23 23:24         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-24 16:09           ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 19:51       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-24 20:17         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-29 22:23     ` Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 16:57       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:02         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 19:24           ` Chris Torek
2020-08-05 12:37           ` Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-08-06 13:54             ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 12/18] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 13/18] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 14/18] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 15/18] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 16/18] maintenance: add incremental-repack auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 17/18] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-23 17:56   ` [PATCH v2 18/18] maintenance: add trace2 regions for task execution Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-29 22:03   ` [PATCH v2 00/18] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Emily Shaffer
2020-07-30 22:24   ` [PATCH v3 00/20] " Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 01/20] maintenance: create basic maintenance runner Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 02/20] maintenance: add --quiet option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 03/20] maintenance: replace run_auto_gc() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 04/20] maintenance: initialize task array Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 05/20] maintenance: add commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 06/20] maintenance: add --task option Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 07/20] maintenance: take a lock on the objects directory Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 08/20] fetch: optionally allow disabling FETCH_HEAD update Junio C Hamano via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 09/20] maintenance: add prefetch task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 10/20] maintenance: add loose-objects task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 11/20] midx: enable core.multiPackIndex by default Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 12/20] maintenance: add incremental-repack task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 13/20] maintenance: auto-size incremental-repack batch Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 23:36       ` Chris Torek
2020-08-03 17:43         ` Derrick Stolee
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 14/20] maintenance: create maintenance.<task>.enabled config Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 15/20] maintenance: use pointers to check --auto Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 16/20] maintenance: add auto condition for commit-graph task Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 17/20] maintenance: create auto condition for loose-objects Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 18/20] maintenance: add incremental-repack auto condition Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 19/20] midx: use start_delayed_progress() Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 22:24     ` [PATCH v3 20/20] maintenance: add trace2 regions for task execution Derrick Stolee via GitGitGadget
2020-07-30 23:06     ` [PATCH v3 00/20] Maintenance builtin, allowing 'gc --auto' customization Junio C Hamano
2020-07-30 23:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-07-31  2:58       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-08-06 17:58     ` Derrick Stolee

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