From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.8 required=3.0 tests=BAYES_00, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FD7C433B4 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95EC9613F8 for ; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:21:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S234587AbhD1HWX (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Apr 2021 03:22:23 -0400 Received: from dcvr.yhbt.net ([64.71.152.64]:33014 "EHLO dcvr.yhbt.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230317AbhD1HWW (ORCPT ); Wed, 28 Apr 2021 03:22:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (dcvr.yhbt.net [127.0.0.1]) by dcvr.yhbt.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E471F5AE; Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2021 07:21:38 +0000 From: Eric Wong To: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason Cc: Son Luong Ngoc , Jonathan Nieder , git@vger.kernel.org, Raxel Gutierrez , mricon@kernel.org, patchwork@lists.ozlabs.org, Junio C Hamano , Taylor Blau , Emily Shaffer Subject: Re: Pain points in Git's patch flow Message-ID: <20210428072138.GB13114@dcvr> References: <20210419025754.GA26065@dcvr> <87o8e82b4p.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87o8e82b4p.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19 2021, Eric Wong wrote: > > Son Luong Ngoc wrote: > >> [...] > >> 3. Isssue with archive: > >> > >> - I don't find the ML archive trivial for new comers. It took me a bit > >> of time to realize: 'Oh if I scroll to bottom and find the "Thread > >> overview" then I can navigate a mailing thread a lot easier'. > > > > (I'm the maintainer of public-inbox, the archival software you > > seem to be referring to). > > > > I'm not sure how to make "Thread overview" easier to find > > without cluttering the display near the top. Maybe I'll try > > aria labels in the Subject: link... > > I'd say the bare-bones style of it is probably jarring to most users > today. I had to check if the site even had any CSS at all. > > I.e. I think a more intuitive UI to users today would probably be some > collapsible side-bar on the left of the screen, which would have a > threaded view. The "Archives are clonable" would probably belong in some > "help" tab in such a UI. The plan is to support read-only JMAP, so it's a stable API that users can build their own displays on top of (of course, NNTP and IMAP support already exists). I can't make drastic UI changes such as a sidebar without breaking things for users who like the current UI. I only know about GNOME3 and Digg because they made drastic UI changes that angered their existing userbase. The current UI is designed to for a terminal with w3m|lynx since it's the lowest common denominator. Graphics drivers/stacks seem to be most frequently broken thing on GNU/Linux systems, so it's important users can find patches/configs/help easily with a text-only browser in order to get graphics working.