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From: Jacob Abel <jacobabel@nullpo.dev>
To: phillip.wood@dunelm.org.uk
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Eric Sunshine" <sunshine@sunshineco.com>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"Phillip Wood" <phillip.wood123@gmail.com>,
	"Rubén Justo" <rjusto@gmail.com>, "Taylor Blau" <me@ttaylorr.com>,
	rsbecker@nexbridge.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 22:40:33 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230118224020.vrytmeyt3vbanoh2@phi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70a01a52-f16c-e85f-297e-c42a23f95a9a@dunelm.org.uk>

On 23/01/16 10:47AM, Phillip Wood wrote:
> Hi Jacob
>
> On 14/01/2023 22:47, Jacob Abel wrote:
> > On 23/01/13 10:20AM, Phillip Wood wrote:
> >> Hi Jacob
> >>
> > [...]
> >
> > I'll reply to this message with the one-off patch to get feedback. Since this is
> > essentially a discrete change on top of v8, I can either keep it as a separate
> > patch or reroll depending on how much needs to be changed (and what would be
> > easier for everyone).
> >
> >> 	git worktree add --orphan -b topic main
> >> 	git worktree add --orphan -B topic main
> >
> > I am hesitant to add these as they break away from the syntax used in
> > `git switch` and `git checkout`.
>
> When I wrote my original email I wrongly though that --orphan did not
> take an argument for "git checkout". While I think it is a mistake for
> checkout and switch to have --orphan take an argument they do at least
> always need a branch name with that option. "git worktree" add already
> has the branch name in the form of the worktree directory in the common
> case.

Understood.

I'm not entirely opposed to making this change to OPT_BOOL but I have to wonder
how often `--orphan` will actually be used by a given user and whether the
slightly shorter invocation will be used regularly.

With the base `git worktree add $path`, the shorthand/DWYM makes sense as it's
used regularly but I don't see users working with `--orphan` outside of trying
to create the first branch in a repository.

And I'd like that operation of creating the first branch in a repo to eventually
"just work" with the base command, i.e. `git worktree add main/`. The reason I
hadn't yet added that is because I've yet to figure out how to get it to work
without accidentally introducing potentially confusing situations and I didn't
want to hold up introducing the core functionality itself.

Once that main use-case "just works", I don't see users utilising `--orphan`
except in very rare circumstances. Doubly so since the average user likely
shouldn't be using `--orphan` in most cases.

Hence the question of whether this change would be worth it vs the existing
`--orphan $branchname $path` which is (for better or worse) consistent with `-b`
and `-B`.

>
> > Also apologies for the tangent but while researching this path, I noticed that
> > --orphan behaves unexpectedly on both `git switch` and `git checkout` when mixed
> > with `-c` and `-b` respectively.
> >
> >      % git switch --orphan -c foobar
> >      fatal: invalid reference: foobar
> >
> >      % git switch -c --orphan foobar
> >      fatal: invalid reference: foobar
> >      % git checkout -b --orphan foobar
> >      fatal: 'foobar' is not a commit and a branch '--orphan' cannot be created from it
> >
> >      % git checkout --orphan -b foobar
> >      fatal: 'foobar' is not a commit and a branch '-b' cannot be created from it
>
> The messages for checkout look better than the switch ones to me as they
> show the branch name which makes it clearer that we're treating what
> looks like an option as an argument. What in particular is unexpected
> here - --orphan and -b take an argument so they'll hoover up the next
> thing on the commandline whatever it is.
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Phillip
>
> > [...]

Agreed. I wasn't sure if this would be something worth addressing in a patch but
at the very least I can work on putting together a small patch for `git switch`
since it doesn't seem to be hoovering the flags like `git checkout` does.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-18 22:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-04  1:02 [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  3:05   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04  4:24     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 2/4] builtin/worktree.c: Update checkout_worktree() to use git-worktree Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:32   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  3:58     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 20:45     ` Taylor Blau
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:33   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  4:11     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  5:03   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04 16:41     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-10  4:13       ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-10 21:21         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:03 ` [PATCH 4/4] worktree add: Add unit tests for --orphan Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  1:37   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-04  4:17     ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  4:33 ` [PATCH 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-04  4:47   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04  4:50   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34   ` [PATCH v2 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-04 21:34   ` [PATCH v2 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32     ` [PATCH v3 1/2] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-11-10 23:32     ` [PATCH v3 2/2] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 21:08       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-15 21:29         ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-15 22:35           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16  0:19             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-19  3:13               ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19  3:09             ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  1:44         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22  6:00           ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:09             ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-15 22:09       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  2:57         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:50           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-16  0:39     ` [PATCH v3 0/2] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Eric Sunshine
2022-11-17 10:00       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-19  3:47         ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-19 11:48           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-22  5:16             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-22 23:26               ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-22 23:55                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-23  2:47                   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23  2:43                 ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-23  5:37                   ` Jacob Abel
2022-11-23  7:35                     ` Rubén Justo
2022-11-22 14:45           ` Phillip Wood
2022-11-23  4:21             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42     ` [PATCH v4 0/3] " Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42       ` [PATCH v4 1/3] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:42       ` [PATCH v4 2/3] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  8:11         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:55           ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:14             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 22:39               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  1:43       ` [PATCH v4 3/3] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-12  8:35         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 14:59           ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 18:16             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-12 18:35               ` Eric Sunshine
2022-12-12 22:36                 ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-12 22:38               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37       ` [PATCH v5 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37         ` [PATCH v5 1/4] worktree add: Include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  3:42           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:24             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:37         ` [PATCH v5 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  4:00           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-20 23:29             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:38         ` [PATCH v5 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  4:19           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21  0:17             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  2:38         ` [PATCH v5 4/4] worktree add: Add hint to use --orphan when bad ref Jacob Abel
2022-12-20  6:18           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-21  0:42             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16         ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16           ` [PATCH v6 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:16           ` [PATCH v6 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2022-12-28 12:54             ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29  6:51               ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:07                 ` Junio C Hamano
2022-12-29 20:48                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06  6:31                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 12:34                     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-07  4:45                       ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:17           ` [PATCH v6 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2022-12-28  6:17           ` [PATCH v6 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-06 14:19             ` Phillip Wood
2022-12-28  8:01           ` [PATCH v6 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29  6:38             ` Jacob Abel
2022-12-29 10:42               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-12-29 21:22                 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:58           ` [PATCH v7 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-08  7:13               ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-08 15:08                 ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-07  4:59             ` [PATCH v7 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 12:26             ` [PATCH v7 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:11               ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:21                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-09 17:26                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32             ` [PATCH v8 " Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:32               ` [PATCH v8 1/4] worktree add: include -B in usage docs Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 2/4] worktree add: refactor opt exclusion tests Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 3/4] worktree add: add --orphan flag Jacob Abel
2023-01-13 10:20                 ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-13 17:32                   ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-14 22:47                   ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-15  3:09                     ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-15  3:41                       ` rsbecker
2023-01-15  3:49                         ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-18 22:46                           ` 'Jacob Abel'
2023-01-18 22:18                       ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-19 15:32                         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-19 16:32                           ` Junio C Hamano
2023-01-16 10:47                     ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-18 22:40                       ` Jacob Abel [this message]
2023-01-19 16:18                         ` Phillip Wood
2023-01-19 22:20                           ` Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 17:33               ` [PATCH v8 4/4] worktree add: add hint to direct users towards --orphan Jacob Abel
2023-01-09 19:20               ` [PATCH v8 0/4] worktree: Support `--orphan` when creating new worktrees Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2023-01-13 17:34                 ` Junio C Hamano

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