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From: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, Derrick Stolee <derrickstolee@github.com>,
	Adam Spiers <git@adamspiers.org>, Jeff King <peff@peff.net>,
	Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 03/13] init: unconditionally create the "info" directory
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 02:15:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <211221.861r26u4b9.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq1r27xfi4.fsf@gitster.g>


On Mon, Dec 20 2021, Junio C Hamano wrote:

> Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> What I _am_ saying is important is that if we are trying to write
>> a file to a known location and its parent directory doesn't exist,
>> then we should create it. Not doing so is a bug and should be
>> fixed, no matter how rare such a thing is to occur. As you've
>> shown, it is not required to have an info directory until we need
>> one (e.g. for sparse-checkout or an excludes file).
>>
>> If you're not planning to add that to this series, then I'll add it
>> to my list. I do think it would fit well into this one, though.
>
> Historically, "git init" relied on the templates to create necessary
> directories, and the subcommands in turn learned to depend on the
> presence of these directories.
>
> At the same time we allowed that the templates can be customized by
> the end users.  It was a bug, exactly for the reason you said above.
>
> Before we talk about creating 'info' directory directly in "git
> init" or anything done in this topic, we should fix the existing
> bug, and the right fix is to use safe-create-leading-directories.
>
> With that, it may become unnecessary to have this "create 'info' in
> 'init'".

I don't see why we'd consider that as a worthwhile direction to go
in. The "git-init" documentation states:
    
    This command creates an empty Git repository - basically a `.git`
    directory with subdirectories for `objects`, `refs/heads`,
    `refs/tags`, and template files. 

I.e. we promise to create "objects", but not "objects/{info,pack}", even
though we've done so since f49fb35d0d5 (git-init-db: create "pack"
subdirectory under objects, 2005-06-27) and d57306c7945 (Create
objects/info/ directory in init-db., 2005-08-20).

Our test suite reveals our own assumptions, but it's also indicative of
assumptions others have made.

It's cheap to create .git/info unconditionally, and we create similar
empty subdirectories, so why not do it for .git/info? Why would we
needlessly break widely documented out-of-tree recipies like:

    some-user-excludes >.git/info/excludes

Which yes, rely on something you can't strictly rely on, but is true
enough most of the time that people do.

So I don't see what finding and fixing every instance of assuming
.git/info in the test suite buys us.

After doing that we'd be back to square one of having to decide if
exposing a mode that effectively did the same could be overly pedantic
in that case, or cheaply cater to out-of-tree code that made the same
assumption.

That's the question this topic is mainly trying to address. It's also
worthwhile to fix the in-tree dependency in sparse-checkout, but I don't
see why we'd insist that one can't be done without the other.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-21  1:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-12 20:13 [PATCH 00/13] tests + init: don't rely on templates & add --no-template + config Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 01/13] t0001: fix gaps in "TEMPLATE DIRECTORY" coverage Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 02/13] init: split out template population from create_default_files() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 03/13] init: unconditionally create the "info" directory Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-20 15:59   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-12-20 16:13     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-20 17:39       ` Derrick Stolee
2021-12-20 18:16         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-20 19:06         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-21  1:15           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason [this message]
2021-12-21  2:10             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-21  2:39               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-21  6:38                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-24 17:26                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-25  1:58                     ` Junio C Hamano
2022-01-12 12:42         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-01-18 19:43           ` Derrick Stolee
2022-01-19  1:00             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 04/13] t0008: don't rely on default ".git/info/exclude" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 05/13] init & clone: add a --no-template option Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 06/13] init & clone: add init.templateDir=[bool] Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 07/13] test-lib: create test data with "git init --no-template" (almost) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 08/13] tests: don't depend on template-created .git/branches Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 09/13] t5540: don't rely on "hook/post-update.sample" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 10/13] test-lib-functions: add and use a "write_hook" wrapper Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13 14:15   ` Eric Sunshine
2021-12-13 16:29     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13 16:45       ` Eric Sunshine
2021-12-13 19:37         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-13 21:33           ` Eric Sunshine
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 11/13] tests: change "cat && chmod +x" to use "write_hook" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 12/13] tests: migrate miscellaneous "write_script" to "write_hooks" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-12 20:13 ` [PATCH 13/13] tests: don't depend on template-created .git/hooks Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/7] tests: don't depend on "git init" using the template Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 1/7] t0008: don't rely on default ".git/info/exclude" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 2/7] tests: don't depend on template-created .git/branches Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 3/7] tests: don't assume a .git/info for .git/info/grafts Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 4/7] tests: don't assume a .git/info for .git/info/attributes Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 5/7] tests: don't assume a .git/info for .git/info/refs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 6/7] tests: don't assume a .git/info for .git/info/exclude Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 11:15   ` [PATCH v2 7/7] tests: don't assume a .git/info for .git/info/sparse-checkout Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-03 19:17   ` [PATCH v2 0/7] tests: don't depend on "git init" using the template Junio C Hamano
2022-06-04  0:41     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-06-06 19:08       ` Junio C Hamano

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