Am Donnerstag, 16. September 2021, 22:42:22 CEST schrieb Junio C Hamano: > Linus Torvalds writes: > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021 at 5:17 AM Rolf Eike Beer wrote: > >> Am Donnerstag, 16. September 2021, 12:12:48 CEST schrieb Tobias Ulmer: > >> > > The redirection seems to be an important part of it. I now did: > >> > > > >> > > git ... 2>&1 | sha256sum > >> > > >> > I've tried to reproduce this since yesterday, but couldn't until now: > >> > > >> > 2>&1 made all the difference, took less than a minute. > > > > So if that redirection is what matters, and what causes problems, I > > can almost guarantee that the reason is very simple: > > ... > > Anyway. That was a long email just to tell people it's almost > > certainly user error, not the kernel. > > Yes, 2>&1 will mix messages from the standard error stream at random > places in the output, which explains the checksum quite well. If there would be any errors. The point is: if I run the command with ">/dev/ null" just to the terminals a hundred times there is never any output on stderr at all. If I pipe stderr into a file it's empty after all of this (yes, I did append, not overwrite). That the particular construct in this case is sort of nonsense is granted, I just hit it because some tool here used some very similar construct and suddenly started failing. "less" isn't the original reproducer, it was just something I started testing with to be able to easily visually inspect the output. What you need is a _fast_ git server. kernel.org or github.com seem to be too slow for this if you don't sit somewhere in their datacenter. Use something in your local network, a Xeon E5 with lot's of RAM and connected with 1GBit/s Ethernet in my case. And the reader must be "somewhat" slow. Using sha256sum works reliably for me. Using "wc -l" does not, also md5sum and sha1sum are too fast as it seems. When I run the whole thing with strace I can't see the effect, which isn't really surprising. But there is a difference between the cases where I run with redirection "2>&1": ioctl(2, TCGETS, 0x7ffd6f119b10) = -1 ENOTTY (Inappropriate ioctl for device) and without: ioctl(2, TCGETS, {B38400 opost isig icanon echo ...}) = 0 AFAICT this is the only place where fd 2 is used at all during the whole time. Regards, Eike -- Rolf Eike Beer, emlix GmbH, http://www.emlix.com Fon +49 551 30664-0, Fax +49 551 30664-11 Gothaer Platz 3, 37083 Göttingen, Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen, Amtsgericht Göttingen HR B 3160 Geschäftsführung: Heike Jordan, Dr. Uwe Kracke – Ust-IdNr.: DE 205 198 055 emlix - smart embedded open source