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From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>,
	"brian m. carlson" <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>,
	"Martin Ågren" <martin.agren@gmail.com>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly
Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 00:03:10 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <609b618e663bd_678ff208ec@natae.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6d56412a-cc67-22fc-717f-9fa218264b40@gmail.com>

Bagas Sanjaya wrote:
> On 12/05/21 09.11, brian m. carlson wrote:
> > From: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > 
> > Asciidoctor contains a converter to generate man pages.  In some
> > environments, where building only the manual pages and not the other
> > documentation is desired, installing a toolchain for building
> > DocBook-based manual pages may be burdensome, and using Asciidoctor
> > directly may be easier, so let's add an option to build manual pages
> > using Asciidoctor without the DocBook toolchain.
> 
> I have concern: I currently generate manpages with Asciidoctor+xmlto. Does
> this change affects people using xmlto?

His proposed change: no, but mine does.

> > We generally require Asciidoctor 1.5, but versions before 1.5.3 didn't
> > contain proper handling of the apostrophe, which is controlled normally
> > by the GNU_ROFF option.  This option for the DocBook toolchain, as well
> > as newer versions of Asciidoctor, makes groff output an ASCII apostrophe
> > instead of a Unicode apostrophe in text, so as to make copy and pasting
> > commands easier.  These newer versions of Asciidoctor detect groff and
> > do the right thing in all cases, so the GNU_ROFF option is obsolete in
> > this case.
> 
> At what version of Asciidoctor the apostrophe handling is corrected?

I will look into this, but in my opinion it's not worth complicating the
doc toolchain for ancient distributions.

The only time people are going to notice something is when:

 1. They build git with USE_ASCIIDOCTOR=YesPlease
    USE_ASCIIDOCTOR_MANPAGE=YesPlease
 2. They use an ancient distribution
 3. They use the ancient distribution's asciidoctor packages, instead of
    Ruby's asciidoctor gem
 4. They open a manpage generated by this process
 5. They select text that specifically has an apostrophe
 6. They copy this text
 7. They paste this text somewhere else

Then, they *might* see some issue.

Yeah, let's not worry about about this *too much*.

> > Suggested-by: Bagas Sanjaya <bagasdotme@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Felipe Contreras <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
> > Signed-off-by: brian m. carlson <sandals@crustytoothpaste.net>
> > ---
> > I've preserved Felipe's authorship on this patch because much of it is
> > his work.  However, I have made some substantial changes here with which
> > I suspect he will disagree, in addition to expanding on the commit
> > message, so if he would prefer, I can reroll with the authorship
> > changed.  I have no preference myself.
> > 
> >   Documentation/Makefile                  | 10 ++++++++++
> >   Documentation/asciidoctor-extensions.rb |  2 ++
> >   Makefile                                |  3 +++
> >   3 files changed, 15 insertions(+)
> > 
> > diff --git a/Documentation/Makefile b/Documentation/Makefile
> > index 2aae4c9cbb..536d9a5f3d 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/Makefile
> > +++ b/Documentation/Makefile
> > @@ -196,6 +196,9 @@ ASCIIDOC_EXTRA += -alitdd='&\#x2d;&\#x2d;'
> >   DBLATEX_COMMON =
> >   XMLTO_EXTRA += --skip-validation
> >   XMLTO_EXTRA += -x manpage.xsl
> > +ifdef USE_ASCIIDOCTOR_MANPAGE
> > +TXT_TO_MAN = $(ASCIIDOC_COMMON) -b manpage
> I think "ASCIIDOCTOR_TO_MAN" would be good alternative name here, since
> this command generates manpage from asciidoctor.

All the current TXT_TO_* definitions use asciidoc.

Moreover, I'm currently working on some cleanup patches to make
TXT_TO_MAN work with asciidoc + xmlto, so this is future-proof.

> > --- a/Makefile
> > +++ b/Makefile
> > @@ -285,6 +285,9 @@ all::
> >   # Define USE_ASCIIDOCTOR to use Asciidoctor instead of AsciiDoc to build the
> >   # documentation.
> >   #
> > +# Define USE_ASCIIDOCTOR_MANPAGE to use Asciidoctor's manual page backend
> > +# instead of building manual pages from DocBook.
> > +#
> The wording should be "...instead of building manual pages from DocBook with
> xmlto".

That's why in my opinion it should be the other way around:
USE_ASCIIDOCTOR_XMLTO=No.

Then the expalantion is not even needed, because you can deduce it from
the name of the configuration variable.

Cheers.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-12  5:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-05-11 22:27 [PATCH] doc: use asciidoctor to " Felipe Contreras
2021-05-11 23:26 ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  0:58   ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  2:11     ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor " brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  2:11       ` [PATCH 2/2] doc: remove GNU_ROFF option brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  2:18         ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-12  2:28           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  4:45         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14  0:11           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-15 13:30             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 13:11         ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-12  2:48       ` [PATCH 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-12  5:03         ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2021-05-13 23:24         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 12:58           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-15 13:25           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:41       ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 23:38         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 19:02           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12  4:43       ` Bagas Sanjaya
2021-05-13 23:54         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-12  6:22       ` Jeff King
2021-05-12  6:30         ` Jeff King
2021-05-12  6:59           ` Jeff King
2021-05-12 19:29             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-13 17:30             ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-13 22:37               ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-12 19:53           ` Eric Sunshine
2021-05-12 22:37             ` Jeff King
2021-05-14 15:34           ` Martin Ågren
2021-05-14  0:31     ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Asciidoctor native manpage builds brian m. carlson
2021-05-14  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: add an option to have Asciidoctor build man pages directly brian m. carlson
2021-05-14  3:58         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-05-14  5:27           ` Jeff King
2021-05-14 20:00             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:55           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 20:52             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:57           ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 19:53         ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 20:17           ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 23:31             ` Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14  0:31       ` [PATCH v2 2/2] doc: remove GNU_ROFF option brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 19:07       ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Asciidoctor native manpage builds Felipe Contreras
2021-05-14 20:00         ` brian m. carlson
2021-05-14 21:21           ` Felipe Contreras

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