From: Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.email>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
git@vger.kernel.org,
Johannes Schindelin <johannes.schindelin@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 10:35:45 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7df660f2-ad74-7d1f-eb13-a0edadffbfbf@iee.email> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqh7pmyuzn.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com>
On 19/11/2020 01:51, Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Philip Oakley <philipoakley@iee.email> writes:
>
>> An alternative in the other direction is to go with the 'not currently
>> on any branch' (detached at nowhere) but then require users to
>> deliberately create their first branch with their chosen name. This
>> moves the 'backward incompatibility' to a different place, which may be
>> easier to manage.
> As has already been mentioned by Peff, I do not think that is a
> workable alternative, especially given that people are generally
> afraid of and easily get confused by being on a detached HEAD.
Yes, our use of the technical phrase 'detached HEAD' is confusing,
compared with the more pleasant 'not on any branch', or 'not at a branch
tip'. Such is the curse of knowledge.
>
> And there is no such thing as unborn detached HEAD. Existing
> versions of Git would not consider a $GIT_DIR that does not have any
> HEAD, which means a new repository created by such an "initially
> there is no branch" version of Git cannot be accessed by any
> existing versions of Git.
Isn't this, essentially, because there is no 'empty/null commit' that we
(HEAD) could start at? There have been a few cases where I've been
'annoyed' that we're missing that. (rather than the orphan branch approach)
>
> It raises the backward incompatibility of such an approach to a
> whole new level that is simply unmanageable, I am afraid.
OK, accepted.
Philip
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2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 02/28] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 03/28] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 04/28] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 05/28] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 06/28] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 07/28] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 08/28] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 09/28] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 10/28] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 11/28] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 12/28] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 13/28] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 14/28] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-13 10:02 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:18 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-16 20:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 15/28] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 16/28] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 17/28] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 18/28] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 19/28] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 20/28] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 21/28] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 22/28] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 23/28] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 24/28] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 25/28] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 26/28] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 27/28] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-12 22:43 ` [PATCH 28/28] Change the default branch name to `main` Don Goodman-Wilson via GitGitGadget
2020-11-13 9:57 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-16 20:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-13 0:11 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 12:55 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 14:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 16:13 ` [RFC/PATCH] tests: support testing with an arbitrary default branch (sort of) Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-13 19:14 ` Jeff King
2020-11-13 22:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 22:39 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-13 23:49 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
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2020-11-18 13:32 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-18 14:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-20 11:36 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-20 16:00 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 15:56 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 9:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 19:35 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-22 19:07 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 10:46 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-14 0:25 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-13 17:42 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use main as default branch name Felipe Contreras
2020-11-14 6:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-16 19:52 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 16:10 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-17 19:09 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 20:58 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 00/27] tests: use " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 01/27] t0060: preemptively adjust alignment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 02/27] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 03/27] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 04/27] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 05/27] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 06/27] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 07/27] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 08/27] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 09/27] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 10/27] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 11/27] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 12/27] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 13/27] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 14/27] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 15/27] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 16/27] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 17/27] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 18/27] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 19/27] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 20/27] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 21/27] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 22/27] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 23/27] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 24/27] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 25/27] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 26/27] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-17 16:12 ` [PATCH v2 27/27] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 11:48 ` [PATCH v2 28/27] tests: run tests omitted by PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-18 23:56 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 19:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-20 13:09 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-20 18:08 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 00/28] tests: use main as default branch name Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 01/28] tests: mark tests relying on the current default for `init.defaultBranch` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 02/28] t0060: preemptively adjust alignment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 03/28] t[01]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 04/28] t2*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 05/28] t3[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 06/28] t3416: preemptively adjust alignment in a comment Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 07/28] t34*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 08/28] t3[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 09/28] t4*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 10/28] t5323: prepare centered comment for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 11/28] t5[0-4]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 12/28] t5503: prepare aligned comment for replacing `master` with `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 13/28] t550*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 14/28] t551*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 15/28] t55[23]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 16/28] t55[4-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 17/28] t5[6-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 18/28] t6[0-3]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 19/28] t64*: preemptively adjust alignment to prepare for `master` -> `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 20/28] t6[4-9]*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 21/28] t7[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 22/28] t7[5-9]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 23/28] t8*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 24/28] t9[0-4]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 25/28] t9[5-7]*: " Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 26/28] tests(git-p4): transition to the default branch name `main` Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 27/28] t99*: adjust the references to the default branch name "main" Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-18 23:44 ` [PATCH v3 28/28] tests: drop prereq `PREPARE_FOR_MAIN_BRANCH` where no longer needed Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget
2020-11-19 23:35 ` [PATCH v3 00/28] tests: use main as default branch name Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 20:48 ` [PATCH 00/28] Use " Eric W. Biederman
2020-11-17 22:47 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 23:33 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 0:07 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 1:25 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 2:40 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-11-18 5:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 11:32 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-18 15:43 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 9:22 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-18 0:18 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 1:22 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 1:45 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 2:06 ` Jeff King
2020-11-18 2:39 ` Jonathan Nieder
2020-11-18 10:12 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 9:04 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-17 22:55 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-17 23:16 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 0:10 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-18 0:51 ` Felipe Contreras
2020-11-18 23:45 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 0:00 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-11-19 0:30 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 0:30 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 0:44 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-19 0:55 ` Peter Hadlaw
2020-11-19 1:51 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-19 10:35 ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2020-11-19 11:10 ` Sergey Organov
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2020-11-19 12:33 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-21 23:01 ` Junio C Hamano
2020-11-22 10:21 ` Sergey Organov
2020-11-22 11:20 ` Philip Oakley
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2020-11-22 20:18 ` Philip Oakley
2020-11-22 21:56 ` Felipe Contreras
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