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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: david@lang.hm, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] Re: Empty directories...
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 19:59:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85tzrwiakt.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0707221029160.3607@woody.linux-foundation.org> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Sun\, 22 Jul 2007 10\:30\:06 -0700 \(PDT\)")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>> Sigh.  No, I don't want to track every directory.  I want to have
>> every directory _trackable_.
>
> And they already are.

Their contents are.

> Your point is pointless. You don't understand the git data
> structures, and you are trying to do something that makes no sense.

That makes no sense to you and apparently quite a few other people,
after a lot of explaining.  That does not mean that it wouldn't work,
but it does mean that it is going nowhere: it is irrelevant whether I
consider the concept easy to understand and explain when nobody else
does: that makes it unmaintainable.

Fortunately, a few other participants, notably Junio and Jakub, have
focused a bit more on technical details rather than my sanity in their
somewhat more nuanced feedback, and thus I have (in a separate thread)
made a new proposal that addresses a few technical shortcomings and
that does no longer require splitting tree-ness/directory-ness into
separate concepts and records, something which I considered elegant
and others gibberish.

It boils down to encoding the "don't-evaporate-when-empty" or "I told
you to keep track of it" property in the directory access permissions:
if those are zero, git does not track the corresponding directory and
will attempt a remove-on-empty.  If they are non-zero (probably 755 as
long as git stores only a sanitized version of the actual state
there), this means that git has been told to track the directory and
will not attempt to delete it until it is told to stop tracking it
again.

The proposal of allowing "." "!." as a gitignore pattern to specify
the tracking/non-tracking indicator does still stand, but its
semantics are now so much decoupled from that of
"don't-evaporate-when-empty" that the code would not actually overlap
with that of the tracking, and so discussing it is orthogonal to the
actual proposal and can be postponed separately, and an implementation
proferred separately once the rest is in place.

So do both of us a favor and skip the rest of the mail queue with
"Empty directories..." in its title.

Actually, the code (and later comments for it) you produced matches
the areas of work and what I think needs to be done quite closer now
than with my original proposal.

So while the discussion with you has not really been much of a help
except to show without reasonable doubt that my original approach
would have been unmaintainable by other persons, the code _is_ very
helpful.

Thanks,

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-22 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 137+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-18  0:13 Empty directories David Kastrup
2007-07-18  0:35 ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-18  6:07   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 10:26     ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]       ` <86tzs2m1h7.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-07-18 11:24         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-18 11:40           ` Matthieu Moy
2007-07-18 12:12             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 16:23     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 16:33       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 17:38         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 18:05           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 16:39       ` Matthieu Moy
2007-07-18 17:06         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 21:37           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 21:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 23:13               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 23:16               ` [RFC PATCH] " Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 23:40                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-18 23:42                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19  0:22                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-19  5:28                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-19  5:38                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-19  6:08                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19  7:10                           ` Geoff Russell
2007-07-19  6:09                         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-19  8:13                           ` Matthieu Moy
2007-07-19 10:51                             ` Tomash Brechko
2007-07-19 11:31                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 12:32                                 ` Tomash Brechko
2007-07-19 12:46                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23 20:18                                     ` Nix
2007-07-23 20:49                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23 21:49                                         ` Nix
2007-07-23 22:05                                           ` Nix
2007-07-23 22:52                                             ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-25 22:43                                               ` Nix
2007-07-23 22:16                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23 22:31                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 23:32                                               ` Nix
2007-07-23 23:57                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                               ` <86ps2ithyl.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-07-24  6:56                                                 ` Nix
2007-07-19 12:38                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 13:21                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 12:16                               ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-19 12:24                                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 14:44                                   ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-19 15:43                                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-19 16:06                                       ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-19 16:17                                         ` Johannes Schindelin
2007-07-19 16:28                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 16:34                                           ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-19 17:30                                             ` Johannes Schindelin
     [not found]                                             ` <Pine.LNX.4.64.070719 1829530.14781@racer.site>
2007-07-19 17:47                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 16:17                                       ` Matthieu Moy
2007-07-19 16:21                                       ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                         ` <9436820E-53D1-425D-922E-D4C76578E40A@silverinsanity.com>
     [not found]                           ` <863azk78yp.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-07-19 15:08                             ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-19 15:27                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19 15:50                                 ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-20  0:01                               ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-20  0:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20  0:33                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20  2:24                                     ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-20  2:31                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20  5:55                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20  5:58                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 15:31                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20  5:35                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20  9:27                                       ` Simon 'corecode' Schubert
2007-07-20 10:11                                         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 10:34                                         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-20 13:23                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 19:24                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20 21:02                                             ` Johan Herland
2007-07-20 21:48                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-20 22:36                                                 ` Julian Phillips
2007-07-21  0:18                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-21  1:23                                                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21  3:54                                                       ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                                     ` <7vir8f24o2.fsf@assigned -by-dhcp.cox.net>
2007-07-20  5:53                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 10:19                                   ` Olivier Galibert
2007-07-19  5:59                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-19  9:54                         ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                   ` <?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?alpine.LFD.0.999?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?.070718=041710271.?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?27353@woody.linu?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?x-foundation.org?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?>
2007-07-22 21:08                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21  4:29                 ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21  4:51                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-21  5:08                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-21  5:28                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21 15:53                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-21 17:38                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21 17:52                             ` Simon 'corecode' Schubert
2007-07-21 18:08                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-21 23:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22  0:18                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  0:37                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22  1:05                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  1:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22  2:39                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  3:43                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22  4:28                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  6:38                                             ` david
2007-07-22  9:08                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 17:30                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 17:59                                                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-07-22 17:28                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-22 17:33                                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                             ` <alpine.L FD.0.999.0707221031050.3607@woody.linux-foundation.org>
2007-07-22 18:58                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  1:16                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-22  1:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 12:06                                     ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-22 13:53                                       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 20:26                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2007-07-22 22:57                                           ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23  6:05                                             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-23  7:45                                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  0:34                               ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22  4:00                             ` Brian Gernhardt
2007-07-28  8:44                       ` David Kastrup
     [not found]                   ` <?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?alpine.LFD.0.999?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?.07072=0402135450.?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?27249@woody.linu?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?x-foundation.org?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?>
2007-07-21  5:15                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18 17:34       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18  0:39 ` Matthieu Moy
2007-07-18  6:16   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18  6:30     ` Shawn O. Pearce
2007-07-18  2:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-18  5:56   ` David Kastrup
2007-07-18  6:34     ` Wincent Colaiuta
2007-07-18  6:53     ` Junio C Hamano
     [not found]       ` <867ioyqhgc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-07-18 23:34         ` Junio C Hamano
2007-07-20  8:29       ` Johan Herland
2007-07-20  8:41         ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 10:20           ` Johan Herland
2007-07-20 10:54             ` David Kastrup
2007-07-20 12:18               ` Johan Herland
     [not found]                 ` <86odi7utdj.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz>
2007-07-20 13:20                   ` Johan Herland
2007-07-20 13:33                     ` David Kastrup
2007-07-22 21:35       ` David Kastrup
2007-07-26 23:33 ` Robin Rosenberg
2007-07-27  5:22   ` David Kastrup

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