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From: "Jean-Noël AVILA" <jn.avila@free.fr>
To: Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org>, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] Factorization of messages with similar meaning
Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 18:25:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8718669.4XknugNGDb@cayenne> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqqfsr7mrs5.fsf@gitster.g>

On Sunday, 5 December 2021 08:31:38 CET Junio C Hamano wrote:
> Johannes Sixt <j6t@kdbg.org> writes:
> 
> > Another aspect is that translators lose context. For example, "%s and %s
> > are mutally exclusive" may have to be translated differently depending
> > on what kind of text is substituted for %s. In this example it's
> > probably always command line options (I haven't checked), so not an
> > immediate problem. But something to keep in mind.
> 
> Yup.  I do not think we are quite ready to have two identical msgid
> strings to be translated into two different msgstr strings.  We've
> briefly talked about pgettext() a few months ago, but nothing
> concrete came out of it, as far as I can recall.
> 
> 

As a translator, I made sure that all the messages are with the same grammatical structure where the placeholders are only command line options. The same messages with placeholders are meant to convey exactly the same meaning at all their use point. We have all the control on the source code to tailor them so that one message model is only used with specific types of variables (options here). That's another reason why I was proposing to define and name them.

If needed, "%s and %s are mutually exclusive" could be turned into "options %s and %s are mutually exclusive" to make it clear that the placeholders can only hold option names.




  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-05 17:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-03  7:01 [PATCH 00/10] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 01/10] i18n: refactor "foo and bar are mutually exclusive" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:07   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-08 18:13     ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 02/10] i18n: refactor "%s, %s and %s " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 03/10] i18n: turn "options are incompatible" into "are " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 04/10] i18n: standardize "cannot open" and "cannot read" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:09   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 05/10] i18n: tag.c factorize i18n strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:10   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 06/10] i18n: factorize "--foo requires --bar" and the like Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 07/10] i18n: factorize "no directory given for --foo" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 08/10] i18n: refactor "unrecognized %(foo) argument" strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-07 18:15   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 09/10] i18n: factorize "--foo outside a repository" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03  7:01 ` [PATCH 10/10] i18n: ref-filter: factorize "%(foo) atom used without %(bar) atom" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-03 21:55 ` [PATCH 00/10] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Jeff King
2021-12-03 23:39   ` Johannes Sixt
2021-12-05  7:31     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-05 17:25       ` Jean-Noël AVILA [this message]
2021-12-05 19:50         ` Johannes Sixt
2021-12-06 19:18           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-05 19:30 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-27 23:23 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 01/11] i18n: refactor "foo and bar are mutually exclusive" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 02/11] i18n: refactor "%s, %s and %s " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 03/11] i18n: turn "options are incompatible" into "cannot be used together" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 04/11] i18n: standardize "cannot open" and "cannot read" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 05/11] i18n: tag.c factorize i18n strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:42     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-27 23:45       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-12-28  0:16         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-29 14:05           ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 06/11] i18n: factorize "--foo requires --bar" and the like Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-28  7:01     ` Johannes Sixt
2021-12-29 14:02       ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 07/11] i18n: factorize "no directory given for --foo" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 08/11] i18n: refactor "unrecognized %(foo) argument" strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 09/11] i18n: factorize "--foo outside a repository" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 10/11] i18n: ref-filter: factorize "%(foo) atom used without %(bar) atom" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-27 23:23   ` [PATCH v2 11/11] i18n: turn even more messages into "cannot be used together" ones Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-28  7:33     ` Johannes Sixt
2021-12-29 15:49       ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-29 18:54   ` [PATCH v3 00/11] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:54     ` [PATCH v3 01/11] i18n: refactor "foo and bar are mutually exclusive" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:54     ` [PATCH v3 02/11] i18n: refactor "%s, %s and %s " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-30 22:26       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-31 17:05         ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-29 18:54     ` [PATCH v3 03/11] i18n: turn "options are incompatible" into "cannot be used together" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 19:36       ` Johannes Sixt
2021-12-30 16:52         ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2021-12-30 22:36           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 04/11] i18n: standardize "cannot open" and "cannot read" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 05/11] i18n: tag.c factorize i18n strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-01 14:14       ` René Scharfe
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 06/11] i18n: factorize "--foo requires --bar" and the like Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 07/11] i18n: factorize "no directory given for --foo" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-30 22:36       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 08/11] i18n: refactor "unrecognized %(foo) argument" strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 09/11] i18n: factorize "--foo outside a repository" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 10/11] i18n: ref-filter: factorize "%(foo) atom used without %(bar) atom" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-29 18:55     ` [PATCH v3 11/11] i18n: turn even more messages into "cannot be used together" ones Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2021-12-30 22:36       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-12-31 17:16         ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2022-01-03 21:51           ` Junio C Hamano
2022-01-02 17:15     ` [PATCH v4 00/11] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 01/11] i18n: refactor "foo and bar are mutually exclusive" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 02/11] i18n: refactor "%s, %s and %s " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-03 15:44         ` Johannes Sixt
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 03/11] i18n: turn "options are incompatible" into "cannot be used together" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 04/11] i18n: standardize "cannot open" and "cannot read" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 05/11] i18n: tag.c factorize i18n strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:37         ` René Scharfe
2022-01-02 20:29           ` Jean-Noël AVILA
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 06/11] i18n: factorize "--foo requires --bar" and the like Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 07/11] i18n: factorize "no directory given for --foo" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 08/11] i18n: refactor "unrecognized %(foo) argument" strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 09/11] i18n: factorize "--foo outside a repository" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 10/11] i18n: ref-filter: factorize "%(foo) atom used without %(bar) atom" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-02 17:15       ` [PATCH v4 11/11] i18n: turn even more messages into "cannot be used together" ones Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02       ` [PATCH v5 00/11] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 01/11] i18n: refactor "foo and bar are mutually exclusive" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 02/11] i18n: refactor "%s, %s and %s " Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 03/11] i18n: turn "options are incompatible" into "cannot be used together" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 04/11] i18n: standardize "cannot open" and "cannot read" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 05/11] i18n: tag.c factorize i18n strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 06/11] i18n: factorize "--foo requires --bar" and the like Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 07/11] i18n: factorize "no directory given for --foo" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 08/11] i18n: refactor "unrecognized %(foo) argument" strings Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 09/11] i18n: factorize "--foo outside a repository" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 10/11] i18n: ref-filter: factorize "%(foo) atom used without %(bar) atom" Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:02         ` [PATCH v5 11/11] i18n: turn even more messages into "cannot be used together" ones Jean-Noël Avila via GitGitGadget
2022-01-05 20:58         ` [PATCH v5 00/11] Factorization of messages with similar meaning Johannes Sixt
2022-01-05 21:31           ` Junio C Hamano

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