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[24.132.57.224]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a24sm14559926edr.74.2021.05.11.05.51.28 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 11 May 2021 05:51:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Felipe Contreras Cc: Jeff King , Martin =?utf-8?Q?=C3=85gren?= , "brian m. carlson" , Bagas Sanjaya , Git Users Subject: Re: [RFC suggestion] Generate manpage directly with Asciidoctor Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 14:44:41 +0200 References: <3461c7b0-594d-989e-3048-2fc6583084ad@gmail.com> <609a07ca6a51c_5afe12088b@natae.notmuch> <609a3a5a7aa08_5d5d32088@natae.notmuch> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.5.12 In-reply-to: <609a3a5a7aa08_5d5d32088@natae.notmuch> Message-ID: <877dk5tovj.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Tue, May 11 2021, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Jeff King wrote: >> On Mon, May 10, 2021 at 11:27:54PM -0500, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> > Jeff King wrote: >> [...] >> > I've never understood developers worried about how the bleeding edge >> > would build in ancient platforms, when ancient platforms don't care >> > about the bleeding edge. >> >> Again, this is about developers. Are there people contributing new >> documentation to Git who are doing so on Debian stable, and would be >> inconvenienced by needing to upgrade their toolchain? > > Developers don't need to create (or use) debian packages. They can > simply do `gem install asciidoctor` and be done with it. Some may even > create a docker container to install all the doc toolchain in order to > avoid polluting their main environment. > > I for one would start building the documentation more if all I needed is > one dependency. Just because I'm developing the latest git.git revision on Debian stable that doesn't mean that I'm keen to install the very latest openssl, libcurl, asciidoc, C compiler, or whatever other thing we depend on. I'm not disagreeing with bumping the dependency in this case (I haven't looked into it). I'm just pointing out that in general there's a lot of use-cases for e.g. building a latest git on an N year old OS. Of course we can ask these people to just build their dependencies too, as I noted in [1] in a past discussion. Whether we bump our required dependencies is a trade-off between our own convenience and these sorts of in-the-wild builds. I'm just saying we should keep this use-case in mind, it's not an all or nothing where you either have ancient deps + ancient git or bleeding edge deps + bleeding edge git. A lot of people build ancient deps + bleeding edge git. The "just use the built doc tarballs" is only a partial solution, and e.g. won't work for someone who's interested in building "next" or otherwise applying local patches that have doc changes. 1. https://lore.kernel.org/git/874ltg2tvo.fsf@gmail.com/