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[24.132.57.224]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w6sm1730337edc.25.2021.05.13.00.54.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 13 May 2021 00:54:42 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason To: Dave Huseby Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, Junio C Hamano , Lars Schneider , =?utf-8?B?xJBvw6BuIFRy4bqnbiBDw7RuZw==?= Danh Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] SubmittingPatches: remove pine-specific hints from MUA hints Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 09:50:21 +0200 References: <20210512235136.GB10785@localhost> User-agent: Debian GNU/Linux bullseye/sid; Emacs 27.1; mu4e 1.5.12 In-reply-to: <20210512235136.GB10785@localhost> Message-ID: <87mtszrrum.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org On Wed, May 12 2021, Dave Huseby wrote: > On 12.05.2021 10:45, =C3=86var Arnfj=C3=B6r=C3=B0 Bjarmason wrote: >>There hasn't been a release of Pine since late 2005, in Alpine the >>no-strip-whitespace-before-send switch is already the default. >> >>This documentation was initially added in 9740d289ee7 (Update >>SubmittingPatches to add MUA specific notes., 2005-08-26), at this >>point it's safe to say that it's not useful to anyone anymore, let's >>remove it. > > What is wrong with keeping it in there? My latest version of the > etiquette patch moves my Mutt MUA config notes to this section on MUAs. > It could eventually become a somewhat exhaustive reference of MUA > tweaks. Old tools may not be popular but they sometime have niche uses > and/or userbases. My recent switch to Mutt has been mixed at best and I > went back to take a look at mh/nmh to see if I liked it better and I may > give it a go for a while to kick the tires, likely making me the only > developer that uses nmh. > > Keeping these notes on old tools--at the bottom of documentation no > less--seems to have little to no "cruft cost" with the potential of > helping somebody someday, even if nostalgia is the only reason. I think there's an inherent value in keeping guides like these short and to the point, and only including those things relevant to most readers. So I do think that if we're including such a niche guide we're better off splitting it into another file and linking to it, same with the whole guide in SubmittingPatches now teaching people to manually craft a patch without using git-format-patch, another obscure edge case we give too much space / causes distraction. In this case though I think saying anything about pine crosses the line from niche to obscure archaeology. We're inlining a patch for abandoned software that has a replacement. If we're going to say anything about Pine in such a list I think it should be: Pine: abandoned and has known flowed text bugs, use its successor alpine or another MUA instead.