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From: "Felipe Contreras" <felipe.contreras@gmail.com>
To: "Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "Al Viro" <viro@hera.kernel.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <matthew@wil.cx>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	users@kernel.org, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>,
	"David Woodhouse" <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:12:58 +0300
Message-ID: <94a0d4530808290712s2044dd03pb93cb4a829dc56b0@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0808280936300.3300@nehalem.linux-foundation.org>

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Linus Torvalds
<torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>> If the git-foo was supposed to be deprecated in 1.6.0
>
> Itw as deprecated over a _year_ ago.
>
>> When it becomes truly obsolete, then people can rely on git exec-dir,
>> which will be disabled by default.
>
> It _is_ obsolete, but there's a trivial compatibility thing.
>
> Are you happy now? How hard is it to really understand?

It only takes one word; obsolete. I haven't heard that git-foo is
obsolete until now, all I heard is that it was deprecated. Maybe I
should have paid more attention but that's not the point.

What other projects do is make very visible when something is
deprecated, like a big, annoying, unbearable warning. Next time you
deprecated a command it might be a good idea to add the warning each
time the command is used, and obsolete it later on.

Also, if it's a big change like this git- stuff, then do a major version bump.

If you had marked 1.6 as 2.0, and added warnings when you deprecated
the git-foo stuff then the users would have no excuse. It would have
been obvious and this huge thread would have been avoided.

Personally I'm subscribed to the mailing and I read the release notes
of 1.6, but I didn't register that change. I install my git stuff to
/opt/git, so when I was using git-foo I was using the old commands
that come from Fedora. It wasn't until I read this thread that I
noticed.

Don't expect users to be a aware of what's happening on the project,
many wouldn't even notice that there was a minor version bump. Julio,
I guess that recommendation goes for you.

Best regards.

-- 
Felipe Contreras

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Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-24  3:33 Junio C Hamano
2008-08-24  4:23 ` [kernel.org users] " Linus Torvalds
2008-08-24  4:54   ` Imran M Yousuf
2008-08-24  8:40 ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-25 11:49 ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-25 12:17   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-25 12:43   ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26  3:00     ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-25 13:22   ` Ben Collins
2008-08-25 14:38     ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-25 18:19   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-25 23:41     ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 12:27       ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 14:57       ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 15:34         ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 15:59           ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-26 16:04             ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-26 16:25               ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 16:45                 ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-26 17:04                   ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:05                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 17:27                     ` Andi Kleen
2008-08-27  6:04                       ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-26 17:10                   ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:11                     ` [PATCH] bash completion: Hide more plumbing commands Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:24                       ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:43                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-26 18:25                         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 18:27                           ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:04                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-08-26 19:07                             ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 19:23                               ` Daniel Barkalow
2008-09-03 22:23                           ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-03 22:31                             ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38                       ` Jakub Narebski
2008-09-03 17:56                         ` Petr Baudis
2008-09-04  4:57                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:53                       ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-27  9:09                         ` Karl Hasselström
2008-08-26 17:12                     ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 17:16                       ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:47                         ` Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
2008-08-26 21:06                         ` Willy Tarreau
2008-08-27 20:24                           ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:27                             ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 20:38                               ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-27 20:53                                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 21:05                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 21:13                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:22                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 22:29                                       ` Adrian Bunk
2008-08-27 21:23                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27 23:49                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28  6:51                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-08-28  7:46                                       ` git-show vs git-log (or: git show vs git log) Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-28 14:44                                       ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Alex Riesen
2008-08-28  5:43                                 ` Mike Hommey
2008-08-27 20:50                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-27  6:00                   ` Ulrich Windl
2008-08-27  7:59                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 19:14                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 19:43                     ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 19:50                       ` Jeff King
2008-08-27 19:54                         ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 20:43                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27 21:19                             ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:27                               ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-27 23:53                                 ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  0:05                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  9:04                                     ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 10:33                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:42                                         ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28 19:56                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 10:47                                         ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 16:35                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 19:24                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 19:52                                             ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 20:23                                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 20:44                                                 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57                                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:23                                                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 21:41                                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 21:53                                                     ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 21:59                                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 22:33                                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:04                                                         ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:22                                                           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:36                                                             ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:24                                                           ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 23:28                                                             ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:30                                                             ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 23:41                                                             ` git-* in test scripts (was On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins) Jeff King
2008-08-29  0:04                                                               ` git-* in test scripts Junio C Hamano
2008-08-29  0:10                                                                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-29  7:51                                                           ` [kernel.org users] [RFD] On deprecating "git-foo" for builtins Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29  8:05                                                             ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-29  8:23                                                               ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-29  8:27                                                               ` Matthias Kestenholz
2008-08-29  9:02                                                                 ` Matthieu Moy
2008-08-28 23:12                                                         ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 15:24                                                           ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:11                                                             ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:24                                                               ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-29 16:28                                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-29 16:41                                                                   ` Aidan Van Dyk
2008-08-30  8:13                                                                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-28 23:31                                                         ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-29  9:33                                                   ` Wincent Colaiuta
2008-08-30 13:24                                                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-30 13:50                                                       ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-30 14:08                                                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 17:07                 ` Jeff King
2008-08-26 17:42                   ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-26 16:17             ` Kristian Høgsberg
2008-08-26 16:23             ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 16:50               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 17:20                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27  7:42                   ` Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-27  8:21                     ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27 15:14                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-08-26 20:14               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-27  7:42                 ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-27  8:32                 ` [kernel.org users] " Andreas Ericsson
2008-08-26 17:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 17:29               ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-26 17:35                 ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-26 17:38                   ` Bruce Stephens
2008-08-28 15:21                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 17:34               ` Takashi Iwai
2008-08-26 18:09               ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 18:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 18:55                   ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:04                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 19:22                       ` Al Viro
2008-08-26 19:11                     ` Teemu Likonen
2008-08-28 15:24                     ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-26 21:08                   ` Dominik Brodowski
2008-08-26 21:28                   ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26 23:21                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-27 15:27                     ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27 23:09                       ` Russell King
2008-08-27 23:53                         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 19:19                           ` Russell King
2008-08-28 20:10                             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28 20:30                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 20:36                               ` Petr Baudis
2008-08-28 20:57                             ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-28 21:05                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28  1:25                         ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-27  0:34               ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-27 12:23           ` Krzysztof Halasa
2008-08-26 20:39         ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-26 21:03           ` Jeff King
2008-08-27  2:24             ` Jay Soffian
2008-08-27 14:49               ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-08-26 23:36           ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-26 23:45           ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 15:32             ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-27  0:17           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 22:52             ` Russell King
2008-08-28 15:34               ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 16:10                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-28 19:18                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2008-08-28 19:27                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-08-27 23:38             ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28  0:09               ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28  0:44                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-08-28  7:14               ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28  8:17                 ` Junio C Hamano
2008-08-28  8:32                   ` David Woodhouse
2008-08-28  8:57                     ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 11:54                       ` Al Viro
2008-08-28 13:15                         ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:34                           ` Felipe Contreras
2008-08-28 13:45                             ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2008-08-28 16:37                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-28 20:42                               ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:03                                 ` Jakub Narebski
2008-08-28 23:14                                   ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-28 23:45                                     ` Jeff King
2008-08-28 23:55                                       ` Perry Wagle
2008-08-29 14:12                               ` Felipe Contreras [this message]
2008-08-28 14:06                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 14:13                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2008-08-28 16:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-08-26  2:58   ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26  7:17     ` Jean Delvare
2008-08-26 11:12       ` A Large Angry SCM
2008-08-26 11:56         ` Stefan Richter
2008-08-26 21:00           ` Steven Rostedt
2008-08-26 14:28         ` Shawn O. Pearce
2008-08-26 14:46       ` Jeff King

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