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From: "Philip Oakley" <philipoakley@iee.org>
To: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>,
	"Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Pull is Mostly Evil
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 23:12:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B2C7522180DD4894BB18B91CAFD35FF9@PhilipOakley> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5363BB9F.40102@xiplink.com

From: "Marc Branchaud" <marcnarc@xiplink.com>
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 4:37 PM
> (Apologies for not CCing all the folks who've participated in the 
> "Pull is
> Evil" thread -- I couldn't find a good branch of that thread for this 
> message.)
>
> OK, so maybe "git pull" is just Mostly Evil.  People seem to have 
> found many
> different ways to make it work for them.
>
> But in reality "git pull" has become a chimera that confuses a large 
> number
> of new users, and that experienced users either avoid entirely or 
> customize
> to give them a convenient shorthand for working in their particular
> environment.  As a tool for new git users, it just doesn't seem to be
> achieving its goals.
>
> I think the git project as a whole would benefit if it started to 
> treat "git
> pull" as an advanced command, in the sense that it needs to be 
> configured by
> an experienced user in order to make it correctly follow a project's
> workflow.  Once it's configured properly, "git pull" is a powerful 
> tool that
> gives users an easy way to do complex things.  In that sense, it may 
> be
> appropriate for a project to tailor "git pull" as it likes, then teach 
> its
> own users to use the command.
>
> However, when it comes to teaching people how to use git qua git, "git 
> pull"
> should be the last thing they learn about, because it's only after you
> understand various basic git concepts that you can configure "git 
> pull" to do
> the right thing.
>
> To that end, I suggest that pull's default behaviour should be to do
> *nothing*.  It should just print out a message to the effect that it 
> hasn't
> been configured, and that the user should run "git help pull" for 
> guidance.
>
I tend to agree.
The hard part is making sure folk have enough prior learning to make a 
choice that their will fit their real needs.

> It'll take quite a bit of time, but I think that if we change our 
> attitude
> towards "git pull" and take this unconfigured-by-default approach, 
> then in a
> few years the entire git ecosystem will be in a better place.
>
> M.
> --
Philip

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-02 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-02 15:37 Pull is Mostly Evil Marc Branchaud
2014-05-02 15:45 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 16:05   ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-02 19:05     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:34       ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-02 22:53         ` Jonathan Nieder
2014-05-03 20:24           ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-02 23:23         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03 11:24           ` Philip Oakley
2014-05-03 11:30             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 19:31   ` David Lang
2014-05-02 19:37     ` David Kastrup
2014-05-02 18:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 19:11   ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 20:06     ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-02 20:58       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 21:48     ` Jeff King
2014-05-02 21:55       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:36         ` Jeff King
2014-05-02 23:27           ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03  2:18       ` David Kastrup
2014-05-06 22:06       ` Junio C Hamano
2014-05-06 22:19         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03  7:56   ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-03  8:17     ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03  9:04       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03  9:56         ` David Kastrup
2014-05-04  4:30           ` David Lang
2014-05-04  4:38             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04  6:13               ` David Kastrup
2014-05-04  6:50               ` James Denholm
2014-05-04  7:48                 ` David Kastrup
2014-05-04  9:51                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 10:37                   ` James Denholm
2014-05-04 11:02                     ` David Kastrup
2014-05-03  9:26     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-03 22:09       ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-04  3:08         ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04  7:49           ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-04 10:17             ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-04 19:09               ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-04 21:13                 ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-05  5:44                   ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-05  5:47                     ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-07 22:37     ` Max Kirillov
2014-05-03 10:00   ` John Szakmeister
2014-05-05 15:39     ` Richard Hansen
2014-05-05 18:15       ` Felipe Contreras
2014-05-02 22:12 ` Philip Oakley [this message]
2014-05-09 19:49 ` Marc Branchaud

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