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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Cc: "Git Mailing List" <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Junio C Hamano" <gitster@pobox.com>, "Eric Wong" <e@80x24.org>,
	"Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Schindelin" <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	"Lars Schneider" <larsxschneider@gmail.com>,
	"Jonathan Nieder" <jrnieder@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] Remove git-filter-branch from git.git; host it elsewhere
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2019 23:17:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CABPp-BERNsoxdexwX1USuH4rcNVz6MOeao9mrLOrJbV8Azs9-w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <922dbed9-3670-16b4-807c-ce68430ee591@gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 6:39 PM Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 8/26/2019 7:52 PM, Elijah Newren wrote:
> > Following up on the suggestion to make git.git smaller and shed non-core
> > tools, here's an RFC series to do so with git-filter-branch.  This
> > series first removes dependencies on git-filter-branch (of which there
> > were very few), and then deletes git-filter-branch itself in the final
> > commit.
> >
> > I'm more than happy to consider alternate places for the filter-branch
> > history (I had considered just merging it in with git-filter-repo), but
> > for now I just made it available here:
> >         https://github.com/newren/git-filter-branch
> >
> > The rewrite above contains the history of the files deleted in Patch 5,
> > plus a one-time copy of relevant build files (Makefiles, test-lib.sh,
> > etc. -- I didn't want the whole history of these), and then touchups to
> > streamline the build files and make them all work in this standalone
> > repo.
> >
> >
> > Some highlevel notes on the patches:
> >
> >   * Patches 1&2: are good cleanups & performance wins regardless of
> >     whether the rest of the series is taken
>
> I agree! These are great. I just had a nit about extracting a helper
> instead of copy-pasting the same three lines in multiple tests.
>
> >   * Patch 3: an attempt to improve i18n situation for external scripts,
> >     but discovered to not be necessary/useful for git-filter-branch
> >     specifically
>
> I'm not sure this is super-important now, but could be saved for a
> later date, when it is important.
>
> >   * Patch 4:
> >     * If we are good with deleting git-filter-branch now and just noting
> >       it in the release notes, then patch 4 could be simplified; there's
> >       no need to update git-filter-branch.txt in that case.
> >     * If, however, we want to do some external messaging for an
> >       additional release cycle or two before moving git-filter-branch
> >       out of git.git, this patch will help us until then to at least
> >       avoid recommending a tool which will likely mangle user's data in
> >       unexpected ways.  But it'd be really helpful if folks could review
> >       and opine on the BFG stuff if so.
>
> I think this is a good step, and should be taken even if we never
> plan to take Patch 5.
>
> >   * Patch 5: actually deletes git-filter-branch, its tests, and
> >     documentation.
>
> This is the one where others need to chime in with opinions. I
> think this one can only be taken if we have a concrete plan about
> how to support the tool _somehow_, even if it is "go download the
> script from this place; it may have broken since we last tested it."
>
> Yes, we want to strongly recommend that people use newer, better
> tools. That's not always something users can accept. Having the
> tool live somewhere that is accessible can appease some users for
> a while, and it can decay and die a slow death there.

Perhaps I should add some more words about the separate repo I
created; even though it wasn't one of the five patches in this series
it actually represented the lionshare of the work before I submitted
this.  Anyway, it has a Makefile which supports the normal 'test',
'doc', 'clean', 'install' (and variants), and 'dist' (and variants).
The 'test' target will run all the filter-branch tests taken from the
git.git testsuite (i.e. t7003 and t7009) without requiring a version
of git built inside that separate repo, 'doc' will build both html and
manpages, etc.  It doesn't look at any config.mak* files and has
stripped out lots of stuff from the main repo, but it's relatively
minimal and self-contained beyond an assumption that a normal copy of
git has been installed somehow already.  Given how infrequently
filter-branch has needed fixes in the past, and the fact that it is
pretty good about relying on plumbing rather than porcelain, I suspect
it might actually be a pretty light maintenance load to keep it
running for a good long time.

  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-27  6:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-22 18:26 RFC: Proposing git-filter-repo for inclusion in git.git Elijah Newren
2019-08-22 20:23 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-08-22 21:12   ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-22 21:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2019-08-26 23:52       ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Remove git-filter-branch from git.git; host it elsewhere Elijah Newren
2019-08-26 23:52         ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] t6006: simplify and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-08-27  1:23           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-08-26 23:52         ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] t3427: accelerate this test by using fast-export and fast-import Elijah Newren
2019-08-27  1:25           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-08-26 23:52         ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] git-sh-i18n: work with external scripts Elijah Newren
2019-08-27  1:28           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-08-26 23:52         ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch in documentation Elijah Newren
2019-08-27  1:32           ` Derrick Stolee
2019-08-27  6:23             ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-26 23:52         ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] Remove git-filter-branch, it is now external to git.git Elijah Newren
2019-08-27  1:39         ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] Remove git-filter-branch from git.git; host it elsewhere Derrick Stolee
2019-08-27  6:17           ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2019-08-27  7:03         ` Eric Wong
2019-08-27  8:43           ` Sergey Organov
2019-08-27 22:18             ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  8:52               ` Sergey Organov
2019-08-28 17:16                 ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-28 19:03                   ` Sergey Organov
2019-08-30 20:40                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-08-30 23:22                     ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-02  9:29                       ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-09-03 17:37                         ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  0:22         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Warn about git-filter-branch usage and avoid it Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  0:22           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] t6006: simplify and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  0:22           ` [PATCH v2 2/4] t3427: accelerate this test by using fast-export and fast-import Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  6:00             ` Eric Sunshine
2019-08-28  0:22           ` [PATCH v2 3/4] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  6:17             ` Eric Sunshine
2019-08-28 21:48               ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-28  0:22           ` [RFC PATCH v2 4/4] Remove git-filter-branch, it is now external to git.git Elijah Newren
2019-08-29  0:06           ` [PATCH v3 0/4] Warn about git-filter-branch usage and avoid it Elijah Newren
2019-08-29  0:06             ` [PATCH v3 1/4] t6006: simplify and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-08-29  0:06             ` [PATCH v3 2/4] t3427: accelerate this test by using fast-export and fast-import Elijah Newren
2019-08-29  0:06             ` [PATCH v3 3/4] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch Elijah Newren
2019-08-29 18:10               ` Eric Sunshine
2019-08-30  0:04                 ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-29  0:06             ` [PATCH v3 4/4] t9902: use a non-deprecated command for testing Elijah Newren
2019-08-30  5:57             ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Warn about git-filter-branch usage and avoid it Elijah Newren
2019-08-30  5:57               ` [PATCH v4 1/4] t6006: simplify and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-09-02 14:47                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-08-30  5:57               ` [PATCH v4 2/4] t3427: accelerate this test by using fast-export and fast-import Elijah Newren
2019-09-02 14:45                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-08-30  5:57               ` [PATCH v4 3/4] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch Elijah Newren
2019-08-30  5:57               ` [PATCH v4 4/4] t9902: use a non-deprecated command for testing Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 18:55           ` [PATCH v5 0/4] Warn about git-filter-branch usage and avoid it Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 18:55             ` [PATCH v5 1/4] t6006: simplify and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 21:08               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-03 21:58                 ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 22:25                   ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-03 18:55             ` [PATCH v5 2/4] t3427: accelerate this test by using fast-export and fast-import Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 21:26               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-03 22:46                 ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-04 20:32                   ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 18:55             ` [PATCH v5 3/4] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 21:40               ` Junio C Hamano
2019-09-04 20:30                 ` Elijah Newren
2019-09-03 18:55             ` [PATCH v5 4/4] t9902: use a non-deprecated command for testing Elijah Newren
2019-09-04 22:32             ` [PATCH v6 0/3] Warn about git-filter-branch usage and avoid it Elijah Newren
2019-09-04 22:32               ` [PATCH v6 1/3] t6006: simplify, fix, and optimize empty message test Elijah Newren
2019-09-04 22:32               ` [PATCH v6 2/3] Recommend git-filter-repo instead of git-filter-branch Elijah Newren
2019-09-04 22:32               ` [PATCH v6 3/3] t9902: use a non-deprecated command for testing Elijah Newren
2019-08-23  3:00     ` RFC: Proposing git-filter-repo for inclusion in git.git Eric Wong
2019-08-23 18:06       ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-23 18:29         ` Elijah Newren
2019-08-28 11:09         ` Johannes Schindelin
2019-08-28 15:06           ` Junio C Hamano
2019-08-23 12:02     ` Derrick Stolee
2019-08-26 19:56   ` Jeff King

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