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From: Elijah Newren <newren@gmail.com>
To: Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Cc: Git Mailing List <git@vger.kernel.org>,
	congdanhqx@gmail.com, Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>,
	Derrick Stolee <stolee@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] rebase --merge: optionally skip upstreamed commits
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 17:06:23 -0700
Message-ID: <CABPp-BFEtd9X1XJwwpJ2YP6a4Zyc_yevwnMfNA+Dr45p4-7YEA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200410222722.95611-1-jonathantanmy@google.com>

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 3:27 PM Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com> wrote:
>
> > > +If `--keep-cherry-pick is given`, all commits (including these) will be
> > > +re-applied. This allows rebase to forgo reading all upstream commits,
> > > +potentially improving performance.
> >
> > I'm slightly worried that "keep" is setting up an incorrect
> > expectation for users; in most cases, a reapplied cherry-pick will
> > result in the merge machinery applying no new changes (they were
> > already applied) and then rebase's default of dropping commits which
> > become empty will kick in and drop the commit.
> >
> > Maybe the name is fine and we just need to be more clear in the text
> > on the expected behavior and advantages and disadvantages of this
> > option:
> >
> > If `--keep-cherry-picks` is given, all commits (including these) will be
> > re-applied.  Note that cherry picks are likely to result in no changes
> > when being reapplied and thus are likely to be dropped anyway (assuming
> > the default --empty=drop behavior).  The advantage of this option, is it
> > allows rebase to forgo reading all upstream commits, potentially
> > improving performance.  The disadvantage of this option is that in some
> > cases, the code has drifted such that reapplying a cherry-pick is not
> > detectable as a no-op, and instead results in conflicts for the user to
> > manually resolve (usually via `git rebase --skip`).
> >
> > It may also be helpful to prevent users from making a false inference
> > by renaming these options to --[no-]reapply-cherry-pick[s].  Sorry to
> > bring this up so late after earlier saying --[no-]keep-cherry-pick[s]
> > was fine; didn't occur to me then.  If you want to keep the name, the
> > extended paragraph should be good enough.
>
> Sorry for getting back to this so late. After some thought, I'm liking
> --reapply-cherry-picks too. Perhaps documented like this:
>
>   Reapply all clean cherry-picks of any upstream commit instead of
>   dropping them. (If these commits then become empty after rebasing,
>   because they contain a subset of already upstream changes, the
>   behavior towards them is controlled by the `--empty` flag.)

Perhaps add "preemptively" in there, so that it reads "...instead of
preemptively dropping them..."?

>   By default (or if `--noreapply-cherry-picks` is given), these commits
>   will be automatically dropped. Because this necessitates reading all
>   upstream commits, this can be expensive in repos with a large number
>   of upstream commits that need to be read.
>
>   `--reapply-cherry-picks` allows rebase to forgo reading all upstream
>   commits, potentially improving performance.
>
>   See also INCOMPATIBLE OPTIONS below.

Otherwise, this description looks good to me.

> This also makes me realize that we probably need to change the "--empty"
> documentation too. Maybe:
>
>    --empty={drop,keep,ask}::
>   -       How to handle commits that are not empty to start and are not
>   -       clean cherry-picks of any upstream commit, but which become
>   +       How to handle commits that become
>           empty after rebasing (because they contain a subset of already
>           upstream changes).  With drop (the default), commits that
>           become empty are dropped.  With keep, such commits are kept.
>           With ask (implied by --interactive), the rebase will halt when
>           an empty commit is applied allowing you to choose whether to
>           drop it, edit files more, or just commit the empty changes.
>           Other options, like --exec, will use the default of drop unless
>           -i/--interactive is explicitly specified.
>    +
>   -Note that commits which start empty are kept, and commits which are
>   -clean cherry-picks (as determined by `git log --cherry-mark ...`) are
>   -always dropped.
>   +Commits that start empty are always kept.
>   ++
>   +Commits that are clean cherry-picks of any upstream commit (as determined by
>   +`git log --cherry-mark ...`) are always dropped, unless
>   +`--reapply-cherry-picks`, is set, in which case they are reapplied. If they
>   +become empty after rebasing, `--empty` determines what happens to them.
>    +
>    See also INCOMPATIBLE OPTIONS below.
>
> If this works, I'll send out a new version containing Elijah's patches
> and mine in whatever branch my patch shows up in [1].
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqd08fhvx5.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com/

Yeah, I was making changes to this exact same area in my series to
reference your flags.[2]

[2] https://lore.kernel.org/git/e15c599c874956f1a297424c68fe28e04c71807b.1586541094.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/

Would you mind if I took your proposed changes, put them in your
patch, and then rebased your patch on top of my series and touched up
the wording in the manpage to have the options reference each other?

> > > @@ -568,6 +583,9 @@ In addition, the following pairs of options are incompatible:
> > >   * --keep-base and --onto
> > >   * --keep-base and --root
> > >
> > > +Also, the --keep-cherry-pick option requires the use of the merge backend
> > > +(e.g., through --merge).
> >
> > Why not just list --keep-cherry-pick[s] in the list of options that
> > require use of the merge backend (i.e. the list containing '--merge')
> > instead of adding another sentence here?
>
> My reading of the list containing "--merge" is that they *trigger* the
> merge backend, not require the merge backend. My new option requires but
> does not trigger it (unless we want to change it to do so, which I'm
> fine with).

Interesting; what part of the man page comes across that way?  That
may just be poor wording.

However, if an option requires a certain backend, is there a reason
why we would want to require the user to manually specify that backend
for their chosen option to work?  We know exactly which backend they
need, so we could just trigger it.  For every other case in rebase I
can think of, whenever a certain backend was required for an option we
always made the option trigger that backend (or throw an error if a
different backend had already been requested).

  reply index

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-09 20:55 [PATCH] " Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10  2:10 ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-10 15:51   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10 12:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-03-10 16:00   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10 18:56 ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-10 22:56   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-12 18:04     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-12 22:40       ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-14  8:04         ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-17  3:03           ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 17:30 ` [PATCH v2] " Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 18:47   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-18 19:28     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 19:55       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-18 20:41         ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-18 23:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-19  0:17             ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-18 20:20   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-26 17:50   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-26 19:17     ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-26 19:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] t3402: use POSIX compliant regex(7) Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-30  4:06 ` [PATCH v3] rebase --merge: optionally skip upstreamed commits Jonathan Tan
2020-03-30  5:09   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-30  5:22   ` Danh Doan
2020-03-30 12:13   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-03-30 16:49     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-30 16:57     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-31 11:55       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-03-31 16:27   ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-31 18:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-31 18:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-10 22:27     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-04-11  0:06       ` Elijah Newren [this message]
2020-04-11  1:11         ` Jonathan Tan
2020-04-11  2:46           ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-26  7:35 [PATCH 0/3] add travis job for linux with musl libc Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 1/3] ci: libify logic for usage and checking CI_USER Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 2/3] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26 16:06   ` Eric Sunshine
2020-03-28 17:53   ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-03-29  6:36     ` Danh Doan
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29  5:49 ` [PATCH 0/3] add travis job for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-03-29 10:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Travis + Azure jobs " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] ci: libify logic for usage and checking CI_USER Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-01 21:51     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-01 22:18     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-02  1:42       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-07 14:53       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-07 21:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-10 13:38           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-03-29 16:23   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Travis + Azure jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-02 13:03   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] ci: make MAKEFLAGS available inside the Docker container in the Linux32 job Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ci/lib-docker: preserve required environment variables Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-03  8:22       ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-03 10:09         ` Danh Doan
2020-04-03 19:55           ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] ci/linux32: parameterise command to switch arch Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ci/linux32: libify install-dependencies step Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 17:53     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Travis + Azure jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-03  0:23       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-04  1:08   ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Travis " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 1/6] ci: make MAKEFLAGS available inside the Docker container in the Linux32 job Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 2/6] ci/lib-docker: preserve required environment variables Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 3/6] ci/linux32: parameterise command to switch arch Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 4/6] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 5/6] ci/linux32: libify install-dependencies step Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 6/6] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-05 20:39     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Travis jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-07 14:55       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-07 19:25         ` Junio C Hamano

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