From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE, SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7691BC433DF for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 06:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 526592068E for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 06:35:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=goodman-wilson.com header.i=@goodman-wilson.com header.b="ak+MCwTw" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1725730AbgFNGe0 (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Jun 2020 02:34:26 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:55508 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725265AbgFNGeZ (ORCPT ); Sun, 14 Jun 2020 02:34:25 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-x631.google.com (mail-ej1-x631.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::631]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58929C03E96F for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ej1-x631.google.com with SMTP id q19so14060063eja.7 for ; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:34:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=goodman-wilson.com; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAFMPuSXAQWC/xPJoqq3w70FfkmCAFCwCPIAN8cjdBk=; b=ak+MCwTw9BxL2+sQEvzEz8w3zYc0CtY7KO+qJDQHFSk//6QUX/Iyhpc4YZBIzYk3ui B53FQ4Tys83dnDAndN1bPpbq3irhcsF0Pz+IMildRKDS8/BXwoYjP1HM5LdWoEzijD5k IG2TZtYYheqzLTjF5aqFiGW34kPY7PAbhF7bSc/NEipLjc+nQSfT0CdvSn54TdnRqEbY 15sQ/q0wEphzBAXZcV7kxEqk5MWVtc8OvSWX0MGoGexOFPibt82AfQDWcdMPpHMfu4DO mUL4t6Ppze+9pq9VnIpmPom/V6NrOB1Vsv27dy9N4gZArAwsD0ycMlQi3zHXlbqu3/cJ Tcjg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zAFMPuSXAQWC/xPJoqq3w70FfkmCAFCwCPIAN8cjdBk=; b=FFU+e8jlyOb0XScGyuE/uj5zu5vw1vQzmDDef8afDTguJ+WO2AoDYZ1hUSFdEKhhyx pI6dUbV0XAb7XyUhdDs9HRtgp8os6hvcdL2cX9OGSFm2magFzeme+3bBjwxhKuEXbQSB Rri8pLbDVXFzufNKURTjXP5X2cYM+DrvOYuyn8cn96YUxwrBc4Ontk61OB++mwjmrxT8 GI/jybxzWfSIrZTL/k8Mz64/KA+puABZzxYVTCs2LBnuWLjeUg3M3+0pzBFvmNa6pD7L CbMMWKYq+NWEDHAbNYT2OtwK3iQOpcnAHd3V1QwCEuvrucUQVJ9e/3vRGvmIJ2uy0To6 g0AQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533A9MS0EnLEPEYOnZh9PuY3OOhC1BB+q6TZB65cD6fWzK7eBk/n CTqyQp2V5cnnwWNhfm+sHW8booJbiHW839790KLqBA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwvrDCOblwjC+sFcrZpOhXsye7o9MgZVFWRAiSRByNkFMAnpNTPrr0CY+Voi1y+N9/s34tgcpqXAFZgyhHuLVY= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:768e:: with SMTP id o14mr21227819ejm.497.1592116464084; Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:34:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0dd6b6c2-4ea4-498d-4481-7f65988db293@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Don Goodman-Wilson Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 08:34:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Rename offensive terminology (master) To: =?UTF-8?Q?S=C3=A9rgio_Augusto_Vianna?= Cc: Junio C Hamano , git@vger.kernel.org, "brian m. carlson" , Simon Pieters Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org (Sorry, I meant "many (if not most) non-native English speakers DON'T realize just how explosive certain English locutions can be to American native speakers.") On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 8:32 AM Don Goodman-Wilson wrote: > > I am an American living in Europe. Let me offer an analogy. Like all > analogies, this one is imperfect, but I think it will serve to make my > point. > > As an American, I don't understand French humor. It's simply beyond > me. I've had it explained to me numerous times, but of course > explaining a joke can't impart its inherent humor. But none of this > should come as a surprise to anyone, as humor is a deeply cultural > artifact, something that can only truly be understood by those raised > within that culture. Even so, we can all appreciate the concept of > humor generally. More to the point, I certainly don't go around > denying that French humor exists, on the basis that I don't get it. > > In the same way, something I've learned living in Europe is that many > (if not most) non-native English speakers realize just how explosive > certain English locutions can be to American native speakers. That's > totally understanable as, like French humor, you have to have been > raised in the culture to really understand that fact. Like humor, we > all have a sense of what offensiveness means, and like humor, this > explosive content is a deeply cultural artifact, something that can > only truly be understood by those raised within that culture. The > visceral feeling of explosive content will probably always be beyond > grasping, just as French humor will probably never make me laugh. > > But to deny that explosive content on the basis that you don't > personally feel it, that you've never experienced it? To claim that it > is "meaningless", that some people are "perpetually offended"? That's > willful ignorance on your part, a bad-faith effort to engage in > serious intellectual conversation about what is good and right, and > has no place in a discussion about creating an inclusive space for all > developers, let alone trying to bring about a more just world. > > Don Goodman-Wilson > > On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 2:50 AM S=C3=A9rgio Augusto Vianna > wrote: > > > > Then why create all this disruption by changing the default from master > > to "main" if you will offer a feature to set the default on creation? > > Americans were discussing trump's tiny hands last week and will have > > moved on to any other meaningless subject the next one. You can > > literally never please the perpetually offended. Taking this kind of > > slacktivism and creating problems for other people is a disgusting leve= l > > of entitlement that only americans display. You really care about > > others? Remember there's other countries in the world. > >