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From: ZheNing Hu <adlternative@gmail.com>
To: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
Cc: Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>,
	ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2021 21:27:05 +0800
Message-ID: <CAOLTT8TNK55AprX2tezoX4YjWV31RRyLWc9NJOvidRqqSgBpQQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <xmqq35vum1rn.fsf@gitster.g>

Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> 于2021年4月14日周三 上午3:18写道:
>
> ZheNing Hu <adlternative@gmail.com> writes:
>
> >> It might be desirable to make it easier for people to migrate from
> >> ".command" to ".cmd". I agree this is debatable, but I don't see a big
> >> downside in it. Maybe, if no argument was passed at all the first time
> >> the command is called instead of the empty string, the command could
> >> then know that it's called for the first time. I am not sure this
> >> would be very helpful in practice though.
> >>
> >
> > If i'm not wrong, Christan meant that this command must run so it's
> > "consistency", and Junio thinks this "consistency" is not needed.
>
> My stance actually is a bit stronger than that.  I suspect that
> running the command without argument once even when no --trailer on
> the command line asks for that <key> is a misfeature, if not a bug
> (only because it is now documented by 1/2 as such---before that, at
> least I did not read the document that way).  And unless it is shown
> that it is not a misfeature but is a useful behaviour with an example
> use case that benefits from it, I would prefer not to replicate it
> in the ".cmd".
>
> > It is true that there is not much harm in keeping `.cmd` at the behavior
> > of `.command` now.
>
> It is far from "there is not much harm".  It misses the whole point
> of the exercise.
>
> Only replacing the first occurrence and not the second and
> subsequent occurrence is not what we are keeping in ".cmd".
>
> Replacing in an unsafe way with respect to the command line syntax
> is not what we are keeping in ".cmd".
>
> That is because these two are misfeatures if not bugs (only because
> they are documented).
>
> In fact, the only reason why we are introducing .cmd is so that we
> can deprecate .command and get rid of its misfeatures while keeping
> only good bits.
>
> So I am waiting to hear why it is not a misfeature.  If it is not,
> then surely I am fine to keep it for now and add a workaround later,
> but until that happens, I do not think "commit --trailer" can be
> used as a way to allow end-users emulate "-s" for their favorite
> trailer like helped-by, acked-by, etc.
>

If it is really necessary to solve this "empty execution" in .cmd,
Maybe we need to consider two points:
* Do we need a new config flag as you said `[implicitExecution = false]`
or just drop it? Has anyone been relying on the "empty execution" of
.command before? This may be worthy of concern.
*  Do we need `trailer.<token>.runMode` as Christan said before?
I rejected his this suggestion before, and now I regret it a bit.

--
ZheNing Hu

  reply index

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-23 14:53 [PATCH] [GSOC]trailer: change $ARG to environment variable ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 15:42 ` [PATCH v2] [GSOC]trailer: pass arg as positional parameter ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 20:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-25  1:43     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-25 11:53   ` [PATCH v3] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-25 22:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-26 13:29       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-26 16:13     ` [PATCH v4] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-27 18:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-27 19:53         ` Christian Couder
2021-03-28 10:46           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-29  9:04             ` Christian Couder
2021-03-29 13:43               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30  8:45                 ` Christian Couder
2021-03-30 11:22                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30 15:07                     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30 17:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-31  5:14                         ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 18:19                           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-31 18:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-01  3:56                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-01 19:49                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-02  2:08                                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-01  3:39                             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 10:05       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-31 10:05         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] [GSOC] run-command: add shell_no_implicit_args option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-01  7:22           ` Christian Couder
2021-04-01  9:58             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 10:05         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] [GSOC]trailer: pass arg as positional parameter ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-01  7:28         ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Christian Couder
2021-04-01 10:02           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-02 13:26         ` [PATCH v6] [GSOC] trailer: add new trailer.<token>.cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-02 20:48           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:08             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04  5:34               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:51             ` Christian Couder
2021-04-04 23:26               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-06  3:47                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-06  3:52                   ` Christian Couder
2021-04-06  5:16                     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-06  5:34                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-06  5:37                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-04  5:43             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04  8:52               ` Christian Couder
2021-04-04  9:53                 ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-02 23:44           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  3:22             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-03  4:31               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:15                 ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04 13:11           ` [PATCH v7] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-06 16:23             ` Christian Couder
2021-04-07  4:51               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 13:37             ` [PATCH v8 0/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 13:37               ` [PATCH v8 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 19:02                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-10 13:40                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 13:37               ` [PATCH v8 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 20:18                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-10 14:09                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 19:59               ` [PATCH v8 0/2] " Christian Couder
2021-04-12 16:39               ` [PATCH v9 " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 16:39                 ` [PATCH v9 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 20:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 12:03                     ` Christian Couder
2021-04-17  1:54                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-12 16:39                 ` [PATCH v9 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 20:51                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-13  7:33                     ` Christian Couder
2021-04-13 12:02                       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-13 19:18                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-14 13:27                           ` ZheNing Hu [this message]
2021-04-14 20:33                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-15 15:32                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-15 17:41                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 12:54                               ` Christian Couder
2021-04-13 18:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16  8:47                 ` [PATCH v10 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16  8:47                   ` [PATCH v10 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16 19:11                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16  8:47                   ` [PATCH v10 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16 19:13                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 19:21                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 19:25                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  2:58                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  3:36                           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  7:41                             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-17  8:11                               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17 15:13                   ` [PATCH v11 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 15:13                     ` [PATCH v11 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct description of .command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 15:13                     ` [PATCH v11 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 22:26                     ` [PATCH v11 0/2] " Junio C Hamano
2021-04-18  7:47                       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-21  0:09                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-21  5:47                           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-21 23:40                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-22  9:20                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-27  6:49                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-27 12:24                                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-05-03 15:41                     ` [PATCH v12 " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-05-03 15:41                       ` [PATCH v12 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-05-03 15:41                       ` [PATCH v12 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget

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