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From: Eric Sunshine <sunshine@sunshineco.com>
To: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>
Cc: "Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	"Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>,
	"Git List" <git@vger.kernel.org>, "Jeff King" <peff@peff.net>,
	"Elijah Newren" <newren@gmail.com>,
	"Fabian Stelzer" <fs@gigacodes.de>
Subject: Re: several messages
Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2022 14:16:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPig+cRCME=SYyV2bDNoAJjdnHUAWUqSP00aO_v-KWdNvasKpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9on60586-rr40-onn0-907s-53816r61qn07@tzk.qr>

On Fri, Sep 2, 2022 at 8:42 AM Johannes Schindelin
<Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Sep 2022, Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget wrote:
> >  t/chainlint.pl                                | 730 ++++++++++++++++++
> >  t/chainlint.sed                               | 399 ----------
> >  t/chainlint/blank-line-before-esac.expect     |  18 +
> >  t/chainlint/blank-line-before-esac.test       |  19 +
> >  ...
>
> This looks like it was a lot of work. And that it would be a lot of work
> to review, too, and certainly even more work to maintain.
>
> Are we really sure that we want to burden the Git project with this much
> stuff that is not actually related to Git's core functionality?
>
> It would be one thing if we could use a well-maintained third-party tool
> to do this job. But adding this to our plate? I hope we can avoid that.

I understand your concerns about review and maintenance burden, and
you're not the first to make such observations; when chainlint.sed was
submitted, it was greeted with similar concerns[1,2], all very
understandable. The key takeaway[3] from that conversation, though,
was that, unlike user-facing features which must be reviewed in detail
and maintained in perpetuity, this is a mere developer aid which can
be easily ejected from the project if it ever becomes a maintenance
burden or shows itself to be unreliable. Potential maintenance burden
aside, a very real benefit of such a tool is that it should help
prevent bugs from slipping into the project going forward[4], which is
indeed the aim of all our developer-focused aids.

In more practical terms, despite initial concerns, in the 4+ years
since its introduction, the maintenance cost of chainlint.sed has been
nearly zero. Very early on, there was a report[5] that chainlint.sed
was showing a false-positive in a `contrib` test script; the developer
quickly responded with a fix[6]. The only other maintenance issues
were a couple dead-simple changes[7,8] to shorten "labels" to support
older versions of `sed`. (As for the chainlint self-tests, the
maintenance cost has been exactly zero). My hope is that chainlint.pl
should have a similar track-record, but it can easily be dropped from
the project if not.

[1]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqk1q11mkj.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com/
[2]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/20180712165608.GA10515@sigill.intra.peff.net/
[3]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/CAPig+cRmAkiYqFXwRAkQALDoOo-79r2iAumdEJEZhBnETvL-fw@mail.gmail.com/
[4]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/xmqqin5kw7q3.fsf@gitster-ct.c.googlers.com/
[5]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/20180730181356.GA156463@aiede.svl.corp.google.com/
[6]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/20180807082135.60913-1-sunshine@sunshineco.com/
[7]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/20180824152016.20286-5-avarab@gmail.com/
[8]: https://lore.kernel.org/git/d15ed626de65c51ef2ba31020eeb2111fb8e091f.1596675905.git.gitgitgadget@gmail.com/

  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-02 18:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-01  0:29 [PATCH 00/18] make test "linting" more comprehensive Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 01/18] t: add skeleton chainlint.pl Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01 12:27   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-02 18:53     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 02/18] chainlint.pl: add POSIX shell lexical analyzer Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01 12:32   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-03  6:00     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 03/18] chainlint.pl: add POSIX shell parser Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 04/18] chainlint.pl: add parser to validate tests Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 05/18] chainlint.pl: add parser to identify test definitions Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 06/18] chainlint.pl: validate test scripts in parallel Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01 12:36   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-03  7:51     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-06 22:35   ` Eric Wong
2022-09-06 22:52     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-06 23:26       ` Jeff King
2022-11-21  4:02         ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 13:28           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-21 14:07             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 14:18               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-11-21 14:48                 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 18:04           ` Jeff King
2022-11-21 18:47             ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 18:50               ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 18:52               ` Jeff King
2022-11-21 19:00                 ` Eric Sunshine
2022-11-21 19:28                   ` Jeff King
2022-11-22  0:11                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 07/18] chainlint.pl: don't require `return|exit|continue` to end with `&&` Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 08/18] t/Makefile: apply chainlint.pl to existing self-tests Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 09/18] chainlint.pl: don't require `&` background command to end with `&&` Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 10/18] chainlint.pl: don't flag broken &&-chain if `$?` handled explicitly Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 11/18] chainlint.pl: don't flag broken &&-chain if failure indicated explicitly Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 12/18] chainlint.pl: complain about loops lacking explicit failure handling Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 13/18] chainlint.pl: allow `|| echo` to signal failure upstream of a pipe Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 14/18] t/chainlint: add more chainlint.pl self-tests Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 15/18] test-lib: retire "lint harder" optimization hack Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 16/18] test-lib: replace chainlint.sed with chainlint.pl Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-03  5:07   ` Elijah Newren
2022-09-03  5:24     ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 17/18] t/Makefile: teach `make test` and `make prove` to run chainlint.pl Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-01  0:29 ` [PATCH 18/18] t: retire unused chainlint.sed Eric Sunshine via GitGitGadget
2022-09-02 12:42   ` several messages Johannes Schindelin
2022-09-02 18:16     ` Eric Sunshine [this message]
2022-09-02 18:34       ` Jeff King
2022-09-02 18:44         ` Junio C Hamano
2022-09-11  5:28 ` [PATCH 00/18] make test "linting" more comprehensive Jeff King
2022-09-11  7:01   ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-11 18:31     ` Jeff King
2022-09-12 23:17       ` Eric Sunshine
2022-09-13  0:04         ` Jeff King

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