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From: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>
To: Taylor Blau <me@ttaylorr.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, avarab@gmail.com, dstolee@microsoft.com,
	gitster@pobox.com, jonathantanmy@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 08/16] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 03:11:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YGLPND21b0o8JIfw@coredump.intra.peff.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YGJDYIxicaPDMdeZ@nand.local>

On Mon, Mar 29, 2021 at 05:15:12PM -0400, Taylor Blau wrote:

> There are two solutions to the problem:
> 
>   - You could write the mtimes in the MIDX itself. This would give you a
>     single point of reference, and resolve the TOCTOU race I just
>     described.
> 
>   - Or, you could forget about mtimes entirely and let the MIDX dictate
>     the pack ordering itself. That resolves the race in a
>     similar-but-different way.
> 
> Of the two, I prefer the latter, but I think it introduces functionality
> that we don't necessarily need yet.

Yeah, I'd strongly favor the latter over the former. The reason to go
with the solution you have in this series is that it doesn't require
changing anything in the on-disk midx format, and we think it is good
enough. But once we are going to change the on-disk format, we might as
well give the writing side as much flexibility as possible.

Of course the mtimes themselves are really just numbers, so in a sense
the two are really equivalent. ;)

> That's because the objects within
> the packs are still ordered as such, and so the compression we get in
> the packs is just as good as it is for single-pack bitmaps. It's only at
> the objects between pack boundaries that any runs of 1s or 0s might be
> interrupted, but there are far fewer pack boundaries than objects, so it
> doesn't seem to matter in practice.

Right. The absolute worst case is a large number of single-object packs,
in which case the bitmap order becomes essentially random with respect
to history (because it would be sorted by sha1 of the packs).

The effect _might_ be measurable in more real-world cases, like say one
big pack and 100 pushes each with a handful of commits. The big pack
would be in good shape, but you have a lot of extra pack boundaries that
hurt the bitmap compression.

But in practice, generating bitmaps is expensive enough that you'd
probably want to roll up some of the packs anyway (and that is certainly
what we are doing at GitHub, using your "repack --geometric"). So you'd
end usually with one big pack representing most of history, and then a
handful of roll-up packs.

So I'm a little curious whether one could even measure the impact of,
say, 100 little packs. But not enough to even run the experiment,
because even that is not a case that is really that interesting.

> Anyway, I think that you know all of that already (mostly because we
> thought aloud together when I originally brought this up), but I figure
> that this detail may be interesting for other readers, too.

Indeed. And I know that you know everything I just wrote, but I agree
it's nice to get a record of these discussions onto the list. :)

-Peff

  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-30  7:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-10 23:02 [PATCH 0/9] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 1/9] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:27   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  2:34     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 2/9] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-02-11 19:33   ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-02-15 15:49     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 17:01       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 0/5] commit-graph: parse_options() cleanup Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 1/5] commit-graph: define common usage with a macro Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 11:33           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 2/5] commit-graph: remove redundant handling of -h Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 11:35           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 3/5] commit-graph: use parse_options_concat() Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:51           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 19:53             ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 20:39             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-17 21:13               ` SZEDER Gábor
2021-09-17 22:03                 ` Jeff King
2021-09-18  4:30                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18  7:20                     ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-18 15:56                       ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18 15:58                         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-18  0:58                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 4/5] commit-graph: refactor dispatch loop for style Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 18:53           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:40             ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-16 12:02               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-16 18:28                 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 18:41         ` [PATCH 5/5] commit-graph: show usage on "commit-graph [write|verify] garbage" Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 19:06           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:43           ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 21:01         ` [PATCH v2 0/4] midx: split out sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 1/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 2/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:39             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 21:45               ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:47                 ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 3/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:01           ` [PATCH v2 4/4] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 21:54             ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 22:34               ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-15 23:11                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-02-15 23:49                   ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-16 11:50           ` [PATCH v2 0/4] midx: split out sub-commands Derrick Stolee
2021-02-16 14:28             ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 3/9] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:02 ` [PATCH 4/9] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:33   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  2:35     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 5/9] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 6/9] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:48   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:03     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 7/9] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:53   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:04     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  7:54   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-11 14:54     ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 8/9] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-02-10 23:03 ` [PATCH 9/9] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  2:58 ` [PATCH 0/9] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11  3:06   ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-11  8:13 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-11 18:37   ` Derrick Stolee
2021-02-11 18:55     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-02-24 19:09 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] " Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 01/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 02/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 03/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 04/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:06     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02 19:02       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  1:54         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:02           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 05/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 06/15] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 07/15] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 08/15] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:17     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02 19:09       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:00         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:04           ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:09   ` [PATCH v2 09/15] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 10/15] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 11/15] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 12/15] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-02  4:21     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-02  4:36       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 19:15       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:03         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 13/15] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 18:36     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-03 15:27       ` Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 14/15] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-02-24 19:10   ` [PATCH v2 15/15] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-02 18:40     ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-03 15:30       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-04  2:04         ` Jonathan Tan
2021-03-04  3:06           ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04 ` [PATCH v3 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 01/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:20     ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 02/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:22     ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 03/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 04/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:36     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 20:38       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:04         ` Jeff King
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 05/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:04   ` [PATCH v3 06/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 11:42     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 20:41       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 07/16] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 08/16] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:00     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:15       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:11         ` Jeff King [this message]
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 09/16] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 10/16] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 11/16] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 12/16] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:12     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:22       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 13/16] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:43     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:27       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 14/16] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 15/16] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:53     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:30       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-11 17:05   ` [PATCH v3 16/16] midx.c: improve cache locality in midx_pack_order_cmp() Taylor Blau
2021-03-29 12:59     ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:34       ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:15         ` Jeff King
2021-03-12 15:16   ` [PATCH v3 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Derrick Stolee
2021-03-29 13:05   ` Jeff King
2021-03-29 21:30     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-29 21:37     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30  7:15       ` Jeff King
2021-03-30 13:37         ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03 ` [PATCH v4 " Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 01/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: inline 'flags' with options Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 02/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't handle 'progress' separately Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 03/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: define common usage with a macro Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:03   ` [PATCH v4 04/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: split sub-commands Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 05/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: don't enter bogus cmd_mode Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 06/16] builtin/multi-pack-index.c: display usage on unrecognized command Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 07/16] t/helper/test-read-midx.c: add '--show-objects' Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 08/16] midx: allow marking a pack as preferred Taylor Blau
2021-04-01  0:32     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 09/16] midx: don't free midx_name early Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 10/16] midx: keep track of the checksum Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 11/16] midx: make some functions non-static Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 12/16] Documentation/technical: describe multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 13/16] pack-revindex: read " Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 14/16] pack-write.c: extract 'write_rev_file_order' Taylor Blau
2021-09-08  1:08     ` [PATCH] pack-write: skip *.rev work when not writing *.rev Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-08  1:35       ` Carlo Arenas
2021-09-08  2:42         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08 15:47           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-09-08  2:50       ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08  3:50         ` Taylor Blau
2021-09-08 10:18           ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2021-09-08 16:32             ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 15/16] pack-revindex: write multi-pack reverse indexes Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:04   ` [PATCH v4 16/16] midx.c: improve cache locality in midx_pack_order_cmp() Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 15:45   ` [PATCH v4 00/16] midx: implement a multi-pack reverse index Jeff King
2021-03-30 15:49     ` Taylor Blau
2021-03-30 16:01       ` Jeff King

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