From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,MALFORMED_FREEMAIL,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_SANE_1 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A803C00523 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4264320692 for ; Wed, 8 Jan 2020 10:59:52 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net header.i=@gmx.net header.b="KKY4wufV" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727356AbgAHK7v (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Jan 2020 05:59:51 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:41487 "EHLO mout.gmx.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726290AbgAHK7u (ORCPT ); Wed, 8 Jan 2020 05:59:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1578481184; bh=WvrUWehSigUYcE3SplALISJt/U8r21gxvfVyqf5TAOI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=KKY4wufVnVxdVrNrKR/JKgE13XRb22t5htgin+MBYzYWHyhYO5U7nnJquhPPDwINJ QY5DpMj+2Nwr3AHEdKMrpSUaKKINapNdBHua2b+xvhs+LMLZOeoRsgsONP77SdutCZ zkF7tJD5NtHorlNZ2Cy1kVmVi45SuXBeKfEymkac= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.0.213] ([37.201.195.152]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MPGW7-1j3E6v2avF-00Pc1E; Wed, 08 Jan 2020 11:59:44 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2020 11:59:46 +0100 (CET) From: Johannes Schindelin X-X-Sender: virtualbox@gitforwindows.org To: Junio C Hamano cc: Liam Huang via GitGitGadget , Liam Huang , git@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] Update imap-send.c, fix incompatibilities with OpenSSL 1.1.x In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21.1 (DEB 209 2017-03-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:6NSjVZZAMEQL/9yaAbxw8nO1NkP6tVQ9gOsgyw0mrWQuiv/0nC3 LZbJK7Ax9ZBYIoxueprilqAekVjdVMYtbtOc0+sMGCA4+MUJ1tVMFFNTpmFM5MoSWFollrn b6LObmI3IALb2w/kjvDWHD86A4gN+2HRIFeT4vKN/noTE018d3ujsHqU697rh8/9khVDoH5 i+xYDV+ZCN1F6iqdpV4bg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:R8boveG16Ec=:sip8cyguJ9GBdDGTMxeucJ oQfXhLQb78WHFo4TzsohppHA6UE0+lEN24y6X6Cr7TdQvprYwoB//Y3dsnF0fjw6nLyXemgOo ID6OHJHoIZJp1ZT8WNd6GH335zy3wahYXjsI6VYNvIp9EK1FdHxkWKzwF2JU1ZjcJP9ixaFFc xOCtKu5FrvZuT573DADYrPhw3mVxvhnoH4XBdWNXw6lWeIDfqe5YJFGkRuOYr/aj7qXxQS8oZ dSkwrWiqC3b2bn6FQ9wj5DebhcYPdXPzoAqfoDBLgZ5lnUpm33aA0NTtZedUv0Edfazujii+r o36q4Qbf5zddOXGAKjhtAklFhQCODIVlW8u3CfXCFA18OyvBhh43zd1+Q0Grc7dOMqeYWoBSV UIuOO5waGLxtuUaLeQzOUZpzMncb+X7H9BpkmQLp6FFJm51WtACT569kqH7QXf9vLuUKHE86G icoDKurGMD5t+P0l/ZidTL1/f4gwWJl9T1NWRphI7Veds1raudoUXXSuWmKKUAUaCZ4yOf7jQ WGWDM5bncL4wkuvqyoRNtUauNI2MYnINFJt/LCjW1NbHxYUq+eG5dzL/UoDHXp8hRH/0hEWxr QIi+Y5MmPkQgtNCg/l+NZSwoMEGR4KOZ/O8dm9rTZcveGFAPBxn4/NH1ebfeDsDpPaZsNmrgJ fl0rT8acEjGfWG0+KwGQsqmGA5xtnWRSGjWGlmw/Ixx3lpHrfJkS1Sb4UGmp4PTLatEgqEWqq 9QrkG6kBmniXMAf6Y5LIGMDY36pPND3pya3YpADa8d4ICBB1YrdT4FhqQBARoAkDuCijQzHmd e6LpIjSud4CH/ivzEY2a8DlmQSW0vG4ZQDBrjE2yygudtWJw5/TcHUKMCUWJvUD6HAaBo8muE 0i+1D6i8hxf84kRlJ9vsocoGfgUkbHcBkfrbbW+SnP/YvBeVuFkUZGx8MYtKmeGx4oqqX9+e/ bed1KDKnRRXQCCu3iN6oDxMZul1TKMzG23aZG3iIG/K/1NqAHaNcBmQ/lpzjGX9/eyM7IKCBo SWscZrtGY5Nuer7vOHrBy+eQourVfuHFQiB9lNpe+5b5A7eDjJdX0NDtTyO94hfCft1w7M5+u 6Hstjsh7JPEGGzWq4q58PzexxRyCamem+D/0Gc/qLSVzsNwwJRsVmkpenZcxrwS91uZPYkC7O 6CnTgLWH8YQs7PTGkO0AwgUs41BFEhnsrEHnyUbZZjVxp7GQz8hblBZ0jdh/4RE9vaZ7ZySmM pUk3hVzTE42OFytB6PURp+1tuBz6q45bUJCZ5kmQ35C5Ft1H5F1BPUckEadc= Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Junio, I will change GitGitGadget to no longer Cc: you automatically. Please register my suspicion that this will make GitGitGadget a lot less useful: the stated mission of GitGitGadget is to make contributing patches to the Git project _easier_ so that the contributor can focus on the changes they want to make, rather than on the rather involved process. I know, you do not find any fault with the current process; it works for you. It just does not work all that well for many other people, myself included. The sheer amount of mostly unwritten, and not exactly static rules contributors are expected to follow are starting to remind me of Kafka's "The Trial". On Tue, 7 Jan 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Besides, when they send out patches they would also add area experts and > those who participated in the review of the earlier round to Cc: so GGG > needs to have a mechanism to allow the end user to do so. So GitGitGadget should now also learn to determine who the current area experts are??? I must have misread your request. > And by treating the maintainer merely just one of the reviewer, that > mechanism can naturally be reused. Well, I certainly do not treat you as just one of the reviewers, as your complaints definitely keep me on my tip toes with regards to GitGitGadget. I do have to remind myself frequently that only two people ever complained about GitGitGadget, literally everybody else who is using GitGitGadget is quite happy. So maybe I should listen more to those positive voices. Actually, now that I wrote it, I think that is the only sane course of action here: listen more to positive voices. Ciao, Dscho