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charset=US-ASCII X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NQI45uHCcztMvw+TvRodx0r3w7wW88LFkCw5/Gj1H2ftxxWLryI Dg/mGZK6CkItv8a2G0nZI1JUKP9eR7xG7SG92j7CRE/zFCsoVmatq3tS+sMGLYRLUW5rcDN IsOLSguky/ZWSC6sh+OE77ZzuBazI61W3jKz7r25iGJU95s7cFDtx70qtaABVvBtw9rB8Np db3fjMuQoNgZuFCXL6KgA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Y+mJ/QPoHgo=:KL5mNXNMxwpfH5vHR6Cvpp TwVLKT+cgTrSPJSHZsko1uPuU43X/c/YKYpOD0pjW0Vumh+8RAB2Y7ZA13d+ppTf0WWRxMZs0 pxdO4G59UhuZ4vtmXuYQEUSt5s1Nq/h6xrV0CoXl1icUSFSp/4mmcI/jqmDG5d/hjydnnrcP2 e2SFvWjZTWK3DHvS760BAVa+6HtivEBi2sNVh0Y2JDNMJpzLGXrguTZrG6dpbxOISJXgAvf02 mNnKDxi2R6xTWJkjZ+Qf3FL2VF8f3ChC1ot1YKERNQIofyiVRBqNAjFJRFSUB2yi1YbsbcNsJ 8rsveOi660wpyE+Up3bEFNay7Mni4ok+Ag8raHZv6DOMMpgrhZcPSGoSFBZVy0CCuJmYrLqck IeuH/bK1CJQA6pLCcJHTxbmM0ql6HHElkgtjwtiriXbnUlJQKDkMcAFuxtqnO9pheaHf8DhXZ lkk34U17B5zlNVHwIqN3YKpkkGfIX1MFbI8mVS+hmWSbrMepuPK7vCy+067mcsvwEj9SJ1UsS 3RUHqF2o58MZ/+K+Yx1M88jNixlTsExAKKeAVJ5R+45L8HGeoLU5291Z3zK1GIhVwGN7KhdzW gacBGxx41mA4G/0wrwdDfPWnLhMLirBHi7VQhlhUi2zMYB/x+wg6FEm8KaNHW2xbSzrpI/H9E 0t7E830NBdjVZcirwig9N3JS1Hu8s4Ir1/FKH9/2qqSWja94COTsxfNXhYpJR5JpytFcJuY+n vhoqKB/wuwS+sN90LRc3YEf/R3hqI59Ri0Zlt95fkNez+a/uZkyai8FDBQoESFh68SbcfObS1 Rg6GZYvQTufRovSEXpxzwEZ22tdNJt+54U4U7H9u3G9XljjvlNrMbmXAYnDP2gDIX1lBlyoA8 TnOn6l34TYYlkSeudU7z6enEduR9PerjpozCPlm2JlAWAi8EEOunLt9QP6/tgYvX43OOPKIoU LKzb9jYNbjowTk8fXQWkIvgW0qlX1Z2IA9W/e323+aq04Z1wBKqea0xWqQ3D/qiLJyKRrtaOC OybnEmZ06i6hJ9cJbQf6Y1LJkNkMq1Hiotzq5LuAHo3mNIsCYx+3CqH+ltlt7Craov+HWtfPf 25dgCrG7DwaAEkBFSIRoI6U64TPcFCf66PM/6WRv1FUW9KthgNxhwAV52NvhHffsKNEFjUJ0l aD/gyZt16qVI6MHy3TT1wnI/7h4DBtxKuLWA9upRv3M0IQdL7e89x4W+Qnthoe8cwQ1/Adswl nhg05waqdZxqcs5ex Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: git-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Hi Junio, On Thu, 11 Jun 2020, Junio C Hamano wrote: > Taylor Blau writes: > > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 07:13:58PM -0700, Junio C Hamano wrote: > >> Taylor Blau writes: > >> > >> >> It is OK to have an optional meeting in the hope that a video > >> >> meeting may have a better chance to keep those who easily become t= oo > >> >> aggressive and confrontational in text-only conversation in check > >> >> and instead have civilized conversation. > >> ... > >> What I am hesitant to see is that such an opt-in meeting becomes > >> "you got a chance to attend and have your voice heard---if you > >> didn't come, that was your choice, and whatever objection you give > >> after it does not count" summit. > > > > Ah, thanks for your clarification (and sorry for the misunderstanding)= . > > I figure that any synchronous discussion should augment the on-list > > discussion, not replace it. > > By the way, if I sounded like I consider this "virtual summit" to be > no more than just a place for people with heated head to deflate > before having a civilized conversation, that was not my intention. > > I do agree that it is good to have some gathering (or perhaps a > couple of them in shifting time to accomodate people from different > parts of the world) to help make sure everybody is moving towards > the same goal, and I have nothing against a virtual/video meeting > for that purpose. > > Other than that it may be held on Zoom, where I do not particularly > like to send people to, after seeing articles like [*1*], that is, > but there may not be a viable alternative. I dunno. I heard that concern a couple times. The only reason why I suggested that platform is because we used it last September, and it worked reasonably well. And that really was the only reason. Ciao, Dscho > > > [Reference] > > *1* https://www.ft.com/content/f24bc9c6-ed95-4b31-a011-9e3fcd9cf006 >