From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4B3C433F5 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 19:39:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S237805AbiCITkU (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:40:20 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:52296 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S237898AbiCITkT (ORCPT ); Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:40:19 -0500 Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (pb-smtp2.pobox.com [64.147.108.71]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D0D15FB5 for ; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:39:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from pb-smtp2.pobox.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDDC710C2B1; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=pobox.com; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=sasl; bh=8Cq//wYVL7t9RDXZ64Xed+ToL6Qe3yG5GS+XjV wi+mE=; b=OKqq8kNBx2YGuUpxkclBOTQxvWwFd2GALL5joA9tI8LJ6374fxYlXu sucPg4paH46TiaurjUWOYhptu5RwRFze2LRU4nkGyxo4N8R8tDaQTtmXCSMkDXw+ al7sdMOmeXlLFuJw0rGvuB0nkZdU8lrYNnbc3pXf5l9KFy+ty/O4Q= Received: from pb-smtp2.nyi.icgroup.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3B8C10C2AF; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) Received: from pobox.com (unknown [35.230.65.123]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pb-smtp2.pobox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 52A3710C2AE; Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:39:18 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from junio@pobox.com) From: Junio C Hamano To: Johannes Schindelin Cc: =?utf-8?B?w4Z2YXIgQXJuZmrDtnLDsA==?= Bjarmason , Johannes Schindelin via GitGitGadget , git@vger.kernel.org, Eric Sunshine , SZEDER =?utf-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor?= Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] ci: make Git's GitHub workflow output much more helpful References: <220302.86mti87cj2.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> <220307.86tuc9yc4b.gmgdl@evledraar.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2022 11:39:17 -0800 In-Reply-To: (Johannes Schindelin's message of "Wed, 9 Mar 2022 14:20:23 +0100 (CET)") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Pobox-Relay-ID: 9C30F4CA-9FE0-11EC-A733-CB998F0A682E-77302942!pb-smtp2.pobox.com Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: git@vger.kernel.org Johannes Schindelin writes: > I do not have hard data, either, except for one: apart from you and Junio, > I have yet to talk to any contributor who said "oh yeah, I found the logs > right away" rather than things like "when I finally figured out that the > logs were in `print-test-failures`, I had a chance to make sense of the > failures" or even "zOMG _that_ is where the logs are?". And let me tell > you that I heard this from a lot of people. Way more than a mere two. > Far, far more. Stop counting me there. I didn't find the logs right away, and I already said that it is a good idea to eliminate the need to open the thing other than the one that opens by default.