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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, me@ttaylorr.com, Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de,
	newren@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] rebase --merge: optionally skip upstreamed commits
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:55:09 -0700
Message-ID: <xmqqd099fnfm.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200318192821.43808-1-jonathantanmy@google.com> (Jonathan Tan's message of "Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:28:21 -0700")

Jonathan Tan <jonathantanmy@google.com> writes:

>> Hmph, what was it called earlier?  My gut reaction without much
>> thinking finds --no-skip-* a bit confusing double-negation and
>> suspect "--[no-]detect-cherry-pick" (which defaults to true for
>> backward compatibility) may feel more natural, but I suspect (I do
>> not recall details of the discussion on v1) it has been already
>> discussed and people found --no-skip-* is OK (in which case I won't
>> object)?
>
> It was earlier called "--{,no-}skip-already-present" (with the opposite
> meaning, and thus, --skip-already-present is the default), so the double
> negative has always existed. "--detect-cherry-pick" might be a better
> idea...I'll wait to see if anybody else has an opinion.

While "--[no-]detect-cherry-pick" is much better in avoiding double
negation, it is a horrible name---we do not tell the users what we
do after we detect cherry pick ("--[no-]skip-cherry-pick-detection"
does not tell us, either).  

Compared to them, "--[no-]skip-already-present" is much better, even
though there is double negation.  

How about a name along the lines of "--[no-]keep-duplicate", then?

>> I also wonder if --detect-cherry-pick=(yes|no|auto) may give a
>> better end-user experience, with "auto" meaning "do run patch-ID
>> based filtering, but if we know it will be expensive (e.g. the
>> repository is sparsely cloned), please skip it".  That way, there
>> may appear other reasons that makes patch-ID computation expensive
>> now or in the fiture, and the users are automatically covered.
>
> It might be better to have predictability, and for "auto", I don't know
> if we can have a simple and explainable set of rules as to when to use
> patch-ID-based filtering - for example, in a partial clone with no
> blobs, I would normally want no patch-ID-based filtering, but in a
> partial clone with only a blob size limit, I probably will still want
> patch-ID-based filtering.

Perhaps.  You could have something more specific than "auto".  The
main point was instead of "--[no-]$knob", "--$knob=(yes|no|...)" is
much easier to extend.  I simply do not know if we will see need to
extend the vocabulary in the near future (to which you guys who are
more interested in sparse clones would have much better insight than
I do).

Thanks.

  reply index

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-09 20:55 [PATCH] " Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10  2:10 ` Taylor Blau
2020-03-10 15:51   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10 12:17 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-03-10 16:00   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-10 18:56 ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-10 22:56   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-12 18:04     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-12 22:40       ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-14  8:04         ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-17  3:03           ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 17:30 ` [PATCH v2] " Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 18:47   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-18 19:28     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-18 19:55       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-03-18 20:41         ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-18 23:39           ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-19  0:17             ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-18 20:20   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-26 17:50   ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-26 19:17     ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-26 19:27     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] t3402: use POSIX compliant regex(7) Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-30  4:06 ` [PATCH v3] rebase --merge: optionally skip upstreamed commits Jonathan Tan
2020-03-30  5:09   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-30  5:22   ` Danh Doan
2020-03-30 12:13   ` Derrick Stolee
2020-03-30 16:49     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-30 16:57     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-03-31 11:55       ` Derrick Stolee
2020-03-31 16:27   ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-31 18:34     ` Junio C Hamano
2020-03-31 18:43       ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-10 22:27     ` Jonathan Tan
2020-04-11  0:06       ` Elijah Newren
2020-04-11  1:11         ` Jonathan Tan
2020-04-11  2:46           ` Elijah Newren
2020-03-26  7:35 [PATCH 0/3] add travis job for linux with musl libc Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 1/3] ci: libify logic for usage and checking CI_USER Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 2/3] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-26 16:06   ` Eric Sunshine
2020-03-28 17:53   ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-03-29  6:36     ` Danh Doan
2020-03-26  7:35 ` [PATCH 3/3] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29  5:49 ` [PATCH 0/3] add travis job for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-03-29 10:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Travis + Azure jobs " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] ci: libify logic for usage and checking CI_USER Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-01 21:51     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-03-29 10:12   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-01 22:18     ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-02  1:42       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-07 14:53       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-07 21:35         ` Junio C Hamano
2020-04-10 13:38           ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-03-29 16:23   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Travis + Azure jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-02 13:03   ` [PATCH v3 0/6] " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 1/6] ci: make MAKEFLAGS available inside the Docker container in the Linux32 job Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 2/6] ci/lib-docker: preserve required environment variables Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-03  8:22       ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-03 10:09         ` Danh Doan
2020-04-03 19:55           ` SZEDER Gábor
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 3/6] ci/linux32: parameterise command to switch arch Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 4/6] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 5/6] ci/linux32: libify install-dependencies step Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 13:04     ` [PATCH v3 6/6] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-02 17:53     ` [PATCH v3 0/6] Travis + Azure jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-03  0:23       ` Danh Doan
2020-04-04  1:08   ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Travis " Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 1/6] ci: make MAKEFLAGS available inside the Docker container in the Linux32 job Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 2/6] ci/lib-docker: preserve required environment variables Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 3/6] ci/linux32: parameterise command to switch arch Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 4/6] ci: refactor docker runner script Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 5/6] ci/linux32: libify install-dependencies step Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-04  1:08     ` [PATCH v4 6/6] travis: build and test on Linux with musl libc and busybox Đoàn Trần Công Danh
2020-04-05 20:39     ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Travis jobs for linux with musl libc Junio C Hamano
2020-04-07 14:55       ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-04-07 19:25         ` Junio C Hamano

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