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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: "Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason" <avarab@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Schindelin <Johannes.Schindelin@gmx.de>,
	git@vger.kernel.org, tytso@mit.edu,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant
Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2020 11:53:40 -0700
Message-ID: <xmqqo8lcwnuz.fsf@gitster.c.googlers.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eem8hfrp.fsf@evledraar.gmail.com> (=?utf-8?B?IsOGdmFyIEFy?= =?utf-8?B?bmZqw7Zyw7A=?= Bjarmason"'s message of "Thu, 08 Oct 2020 17:57:30 +0200")

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason <avarab@gmail.com> writes:

>>> When I saw the subject in my mailbox, I expected to see that you
>>> would resurrect Christoph's updated text in [*1*], but you wrote a
>>> whole lot more ;-) And they are quite informative to help readers to
>>> understand what the option does.  I am not sure if the understanding
>>> directly help readers to decide if it is appropriate for their own
>>> repositories, though X-<.
>>
>> I agree that it is an improvement, and am therefore in favor of applying
>> the patch.
>
> Just the improved docs, or flipping the default of core.fsyncObjectFiles
> to "true"?

I am not Dscho, but "applying THE patch" meant, at least to me, the
patch [2/2] to the docs, which was the message we are responding to.

> I've been meaning to re-roll this. I won't have time anytime soon to fix
> git's fsync() use, i.e. ensure that we run up & down modified
> directories and fsync()/fdatasync() file/dir fd's as appropriate but I
> think documenting it and changing the core.fsyncObjectFiles default
> makes sense and is at least a step in the right direction.
>
> I do think it makes more sense for a v2 to split most of this out into
> some section that generally discusses data integrity in the .git
> directory. I.e. that says that currently where we use fsync() (such as
> pack/commit-graph writes) we don't fsync() the corresponding
> director{y,ies), and ref updates don't fsync() at all.

Yes, I think all of these are sensible things to do sometime in the
future.


> Where to put that though? gitrepository-layout(5)? Or a new page like
> gitrepository-integrity(5) (other suggestions welcome..).

I do not have a good suggestion at this moment on this.





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Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-01-17 18:48 [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 19:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 19:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 20:05     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-17 19:37   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-17 19:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 21:44   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 22:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 22:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:16       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:52       ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-17 23:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 16:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-19 19:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-20 22:14               ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-20 22:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-22 15:09                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-22 18:09                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23  0:47                       ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  5:45                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23 16:17                           ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  0:25                     ` Jeff King
2018-01-21 21:32             ` Chris Mason
2020-09-17 11:06         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] should core.fsyncObjectFiles fsync the dir entry + docs Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] sha1-file: fsync() loose dir entry when core.fsyncObjectFiles Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 13:16             ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 15:09               ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 14:09             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 14:55               ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 14:56                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:37                   ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-17 17:12                     ` Jeff King
2020-09-17 20:37                       ` Taylor Blau
2020-09-22 10:42               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 20:21             ` Johannes Sixt
2020-09-22  8:24               ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-11-19 11:38                 ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-09-17 11:28           ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] core.fsyncObjectFiles: make the docs less flippant Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 14:12             ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:43             ` Junio C Hamano
2020-09-17 20:15               ` Johannes Sixt
2020-10-08  8:13               ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-10-08 15:57                 ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-10-08 18:53                   ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2020-10-09 10:44                   ` Johannes Schindelin
2020-09-17 19:21             ` Marc Branchaud
2020-09-17 14:14           ` [PATCH] enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 20:55 ` Jeff King
2018-01-17 21:10   ` Christoph Hellwig

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