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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
Cc: git@vger.kernel.org, peff@peff.net, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Enable core.fsyncObjectFiles by default
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:21:44 -0700
Message-ID: <xmqqpp4maww7.fsf@gitster.dls.corp.google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1435096643-18159-1-git-send-email-sbeller@google.com> (Stefan Beller's message of "Tue, 23 Jun 2015 14:57:23 -0700")

Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com> writes:

> Linus Torvalds started a discussion[1] if we want to play rather safe
> than use defaults which make sense only for the most power users of Git:
>
>> So git is "safe" in the sense that you won't really lose any data,
>> but you may well be inconvenienced.  The "fsync each object" config
>> option is there in case you don't want that inconvenience, but it
>> should be noted that it can make for a hell of a performance impact.
>
>> Of course, it might well be the case that the actual default
>> might be worth turning around. Most git users probably don't
>> care about that kind of "apply two hundred patches from Andrew
>> Morton" kind of workload, although "rebase a big patch-series"
>> does end up doing basically the same thing, and might be more
>> common.
>
> This patch enables fsync_object_files by default.

Sorry, but I fail to see which part of what Linus said (which is the
only thing you quoted from the discussion) argues for this patch.
If anything, I read that as cautioning people against making a
tradeoff based on an incorrect perception of risks and blindly
flipping this bit ON (the original discussion a few days ago, where
Ted says he has this bit ON while clarifying that he does so on SSD,
is also a sensible description on how he made his trade-off).

It's a different matter whom you would want to align with when
assessing your own risk tolerance.  If you quoted Corbet's original
message, then that would have been more consistent.

>
> [1] https://plus.google.com/u/1/+JonathanCorbet/posts/JBxiKPe3VXa
>
> Signed-off-by: Stefan Beller <sbeller@google.com>
> ---
>  Documentation/config.txt | 8 ++++----
>  environment.c            | 2 +-
>  2 files changed, 5 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/config.txt b/Documentation/config.txt
> index 43bb53c..dce2640 100644
> --- a/Documentation/config.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/config.txt
> @@ -693,10 +693,10 @@ core.whitespace::
>  core.fsyncObjectFiles::
>  	This boolean will enable 'fsync()' when writing object files.
>  +
> -This is a total waste of time and effort on a filesystem that orders
> -data writes properly, but can be useful for filesystems that do not use
> -journalling (traditional UNIX filesystems) or that only journal metadata
> -and not file contents (OS X's HFS+, or Linux ext3 with "data=writeback").
> +This ensures objects are written to disk instead of relying on the
> +operating systems cache and eventual write. Disabling this option will
> +yield performance with a trade off in safety for repository corruption
> +during power loss.
>  
>  core.preloadIndex::
>  	Enable parallel index preload for operations like 'git diff'
> diff --git a/environment.c b/environment.c
> index 61c685b..b406f5e 100644
> --- a/environment.c
> +++ b/environment.c
> @@ -35,7 +35,7 @@ const char *git_attributes_file;
>  int zlib_compression_level = Z_BEST_SPEED;
>  int core_compression_level;
>  int core_compression_seen;
> -int fsync_object_files;
> +int fsync_object_files = 1;
>  size_t packed_git_window_size = DEFAULT_PACKED_GIT_WINDOW_SIZE;
>  size_t packed_git_limit = DEFAULT_PACKED_GIT_LIMIT;
>  size_t delta_base_cache_limit = 96 * 1024 * 1024;

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Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-23 21:57 Stefan Beller
2015-06-23 22:21 ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2015-06-23 23:29   ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-06-24  5:32     ` Junio C Hamano
2015-06-24 14:30       ` Theodore Ts'o
2015-06-24  1:07 ` Duy Nguyen
2015-06-24  3:37 ` Jeff King
2015-06-24  5:20   ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 18:48 [PATCH] enable " Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 19:04 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 19:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 20:05     ` Andreas Schwab
2018-01-17 19:37   ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-01-17 19:42     ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-17 21:44   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 22:07     ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 22:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:16       ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-17 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-17 23:52       ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-17 23:57         ` Linus Torvalds
2018-01-18 16:27           ` Christoph Hellwig
2018-01-19 19:08             ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-20 22:14               ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-20 22:27                 ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-22 15:09                   ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2018-01-22 18:09                     ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23  0:47                       ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  5:45                         ` Theodore Ts'o
2018-01-23 16:17                           ` Jeff King
2018-01-23  0:25                     ` Jeff King
2018-01-21 21:32             ` Chris Mason
2020-09-17 11:06         ` Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
2020-09-17 14:14           ` Christoph Hellwig
2020-09-17 15:30           ` Junio C Hamano
2018-01-17 20:55 ` Jeff King
2018-01-17 21:10   ` Christoph Hellwig

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