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From: Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com>
To: Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com>
Cc: ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget <gitgitgadget@gmail.com>,
	git <git@vger.kernel.org>, ZheNing Hu <adlternative@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 18:54:37 -0700
Message-ID: <xmqqtuo5iski.fsf@gitster.g> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP8UFD2gUbWP2LWXDt1nmph1qMyhEBfLErw3=5OTBx-KeBQBVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Christian Couder <christian.couder@gmail.com> writes:

> $ git config trailer.sign.command 'echo "$(git config user.name)
> <$(git config user.email)>"'
>
> My opinion is that we should have added a `trailer.<token>.runMode`
> config option along with `trailer.<token>.command`. This was not
> discussed unfortunately when ".command" was implemented, but it seems
> to be a good idea now.

Yes, without a knob to diable/enable, the "feature" is pretty much
useless.  

> It can be avoided when the --trim-empty CLI option can be used. A hook
> to remove empty trailers (which might call `git interpret-trailers
> --trim-empty` itself) could also be used when --trim-empty cannot be
> used directly.

And as you know, --trim-empty that applies to all trailer keys would
destroy other trailers and trailer.<token>.trimEmpty, even if it
were available, would not work at all to remove it for the case you
cited above, to add "user.name <user.email>", which is not an empty
string.

> I agree that the current mechanism cannot easily emulate "commit -s".
> ...
> I agree that --trim-empty is not usable sometimes. Another idea would
> be to add 'trailer.<token>.trimEmpty' to be able to do things like:

"easily"?  "sometimes"?

"--trim-empty" is unusable, trailer.<token>.trimEmpty would not work
even if it were added because the reason why this is broken is not
because it gives an empty value, but because it runs even when it is
not asked and there is no way to turn it off.

This shows that even the only plausibly-useful use case we've seen
so far is not very well supported, and necessary options/knobs to
make it usable have not been invented and implemented.

It is time for us to admit that this is a misfeature that is not
well thought out.  Recognising that .command is broken is the first
step to remedy it with a better alternative in .cmd; otherwise we
would inherit the same breakage in the replacement.

The only reasonable way out I would think of is to hide the
unconditional execution behind trailer.<token>.runMode, and make the
default for runMode to "do not run when --trailer=<token>[:<value>]
is not asked from the command line" for .cmd; it is OK for .command
not to honor the knob, as we will get rid of it once we see .cmd
works well.

Thanks.

  reply index

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-03-23 14:53 [PATCH] [GSOC]trailer: change $ARG to environment variable ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 15:42 ` [PATCH v2] [GSOC]trailer: pass arg as positional parameter ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-24 20:18   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-25  1:43     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-25 11:53   ` [PATCH v3] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-25 22:28     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-26 13:29       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-26 16:13     ` [PATCH v4] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-27 18:04       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-27 19:53         ` Christian Couder
2021-03-28 10:46           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-29  9:04             ` Christian Couder
2021-03-29 13:43               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30  8:45                 ` Christian Couder
2021-03-30 11:22                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30 15:07                     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-30 17:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-31  5:14                         ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 18:19                           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-03-31 18:29                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-01  3:56                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-01 19:49                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-02  2:08                                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-01  3:39                             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 10:05       ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-03-31 10:05         ` [PATCH v5 1/2] [GSOC] run-command: add shell_no_implicit_args option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-01  7:22           ` Christian Couder
2021-04-01  9:58             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-03-31 10:05         ` [PATCH v5 2/2] [GSOC]trailer: pass arg as positional parameter ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-01  7:28         ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Christian Couder
2021-04-01 10:02           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-02 13:26         ` [PATCH v6] [GSOC] trailer: add new trailer.<token>.cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-02 20:48           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:08             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04  5:34               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:51             ` Christian Couder
2021-04-04 23:26               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-06  3:47                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-06  3:52                   ` Christian Couder
2021-04-06  5:16                     ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-06  5:34                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-06  5:37                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-04  5:43             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04  8:52               ` Christian Couder
2021-04-04  9:53                 ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-02 23:44           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  3:22             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-03  4:31               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-03  5:15                 ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-04 13:11           ` [PATCH v7] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-06 16:23             ` Christian Couder
2021-04-07  4:51               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 13:37             ` [PATCH v8 0/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 13:37               ` [PATCH v8 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 19:02                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-10 13:40                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 13:37               ` [PATCH v8 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-09 20:18                 ` Christian Couder
2021-04-10 14:09                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-09 19:59               ` [PATCH v8 0/2] " Christian Couder
2021-04-12 16:39               ` [PATCH v9 " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 16:39                 ` [PATCH v9 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 20:42                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 12:03                     ` Christian Couder
2021-04-17  1:54                       ` Junio C Hamano [this message]
2021-04-12 16:39                 ` [PATCH v9 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-12 20:51                   ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-13  7:33                     ` Christian Couder
2021-04-13 12:02                       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-13 19:18                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-14 13:27                           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-14 20:33                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-15 15:32                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-15 17:41                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 12:54                               ` Christian Couder
2021-04-13 18:14                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16  8:47                 ` [PATCH v10 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16  8:47                   ` [PATCH v10 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16 19:11                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16  8:47                   ` [PATCH v10 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-16 19:13                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 19:21                     ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-16 19:25                       ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  2:58                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  3:36                           ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17  7:41                             ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-17  8:11                               ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-17 15:13                   ` [PATCH v11 0/2] " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 15:13                     ` [PATCH v11 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct description of .command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 15:13                     ` [PATCH v11 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-04-17 22:26                     ` [PATCH v11 0/2] " Junio C Hamano
2021-04-18  7:47                       ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-21  0:09                         ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-21  5:47                           ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-21 23:40                             ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-22  9:20                               ` ZheNing Hu
2021-04-27  6:49                                 ` Junio C Hamano
2021-04-27 12:24                                   ` ZheNing Hu
2021-05-03 15:41                     ` [PATCH v12 " ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-05-03 15:41                       ` [PATCH v12 1/2] [GSOC] docs: correct descript of trailer.<token>.command ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget
2021-05-03 15:41                       ` [PATCH v12 2/2] [GSOC] trailer: add new .cmd config option ZheNing Hu via GitGitGadget

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