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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>, io-uring@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] io_uring: limit inflight IO
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 07:23:45 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <d8002007-7641-3e9d-0560-123358300e66@kernel.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <69985522-3e8e-102b-c8e9-ea9046cd22c6@gmail.com>

On 11/9/19 4:16 AM, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
>> I've been struggling a bit with how to make this reliable, and I'm not
>> so sure there's a way to do that. Let's say an application sets up a
>> ring with 8 sq entries, which would then default to 16 cq entries. With
>> this patch, we'd allow 16 ios inflight. But what if the application does
>>
>> for (i = 0; i < 32; i++) {
>> 	sqe = get_sqe();
>> 	prep_sqe();
>> 	submit_sqe();
>> }
>>
>> And then directly proceeds to:
>>
>> do {
>> 	get_completions();
>> } while (has_completions);
>>
>> As long as fewer than 16 requests complete before we start reaping,
>> we don't lose any events. Hence there's a risk of breaking existing
>> setups with this, even though I don't think that's a high risk.
>>
> 
> I think, this should be considered as an erroneous usage of the API.
> It's better to fail ASAP than to be surprised in a production
> system, because of non-deterministic nature of such code. Even worse
> with trying to debug such stuff.
> 
> As for me, cases like below are too far-fetched
> 
> for (i = 0; i < n; i++)
> 	submit_read_sqe()
> for (i = 0; i < n; i++) {
> 	device_allow_next_read()
> 	get_single_cqe()
> }

I can't really disagree with that, it's a use case that's bound to fail
every now and then...

But if we agree that's the case, then we should be able to just limit
based on the cq ring size in question.

Do we make it different fro CQ_NODROP and !CQ_NODROP or not? Because the
above case would work with CQ_NODROP, reliably. At least CQ_NODROP is
new so we get to set the rules for that one, they just have to make
sense.

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-09 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-07 23:21 [PATCH RFC] io_uring: limit inflight IO Jens Axboe
2019-11-08  0:19 ` Jens Axboe
2019-11-08  9:56   ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-11-08 14:05     ` Jens Axboe
2019-11-08 17:45       ` Jens Axboe
2019-11-09 11:16         ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-11-09 14:23           ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2019-11-09 15:15             ` Jens Axboe
2019-11-09 19:24             ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-11-09 10:33       ` Pavel Begunkov
2019-11-09 14:12         ` Jens Axboe

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