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From: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <miguel.ojeda.sandonis@gmail.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	David Laight <David.Laight@aculab.com>,
	Ian Abbott <abbotti@mev.co.uk>,
	linux-input <linux-input@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-btrfs <linux-btrfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Kernel Hardening <kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 0/2] Remove false-positive VLAs when using max()
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 18:14:59 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180316181459.GF30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180316175502.GE30522@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 05:55:02PM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 10:29:16AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >    t.c: In function ‘test’:
> >    t.c:6:6: error: argument to variable-length array is too large
> > [-Werror=vla-larger-than=]
> >      int array[(1,100)];
> > 
> > Gcc people are crazy.
> 
> That's not them, that's C standard regarding ICE.  1,100 is *not* a
> constant expression as far as the standard is concerned, and that
> type is actually a VLA with the size that can be optimized into
> a compiler-calculated value.
> 
> Would you argue that in

s/argue/agree/, sorry

> void foo(char c)
> {
> 	int a[(c<<1) + 10 - c + 2 - c];
> 
> a is not a VLA?

FWIW, 6.6 starts with
	 constant-expression:
		conditional-expression
for syntax, with 6.6p3 being "Constant expression shall not contain
assignment, increment, decrement, function call or comma operators,
except when they are contained in a subexpression that is not evaluated",
with "The operand of sizeof operator is usually not evaluated (6.5.3.4)"
as a footnote.

6.6p10 allows implementation to accept other forms of constant expressions,
but arguing that such-and-such construct surely must be recognized as one,
when there are perfectly portable ways to achieve the same...

Realistically, code like that can come only from macros, and one can wrap
the damn thing into 0 * sizeof(..., 0) + just fine there.  Which will
satisfy the conditions for sizeof argument not being evaluated...

  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-16 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-16  4:25 [PATCH v5 0/2] Remove false-positive VLAs when using max() Kees Cook
2018-03-16  4:25 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] kernel.h: Introduce const_max_t() for VLA removal Kees Cook
2018-03-16  4:25 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] Remove false-positive VLAs when using max() Kees Cook
2018-03-19 10:45   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2018-03-16 11:47 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Florian Weimer
2018-03-16 17:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16 17:32     ` Florian Weimer
2018-03-16 17:44     ` David Laight
2018-03-16 20:25       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16 17:55     ` Al Viro
2018-03-16 18:14       ` Al Viro [this message]
2018-03-16 19:27       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16 20:03         ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-03-16 20:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16 20:19             ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-17  0:48             ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-03-17  1:49             ` Miguel Ojeda
2018-03-16 20:12         ` Al Viro
2018-03-16 20:15           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-16 20:18             ` Al Viro
2018-03-17  7:27         ` Kees Cook
2018-03-17 18:52           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-17 20:07             ` Kees Cook
2018-03-17 22:55               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2018-03-20 23:23               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-20 23:26                 ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-21  0:05                   ` Al Viro
2018-03-22 15:01                 ` Kees Cook
2018-03-22 15:13                   ` David Laight
2018-03-22 17:04                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-18 21:13             ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-03-18 21:33               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-18 22:59                 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2018-03-18 23:36                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-19  9:43                     ` David Laight
2018-03-19 23:29                       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-03-20  3:10                         ` Arnd Bergmann

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